HOUSE POST OFFICE/CIVIL SERVICE COMMITTEE HEARING ON RETIREMENT: CIA PARTICIPATION

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• Document Creation Date: December 23, 2016
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• Publication Date: March 28, 1985
• Content Type: MEMO

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28 March 1985
MEMORANDUM FOR: See Distribution
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SUBJECT: House Post Office/Civil Service Committee
Hearing on Retirement: CIA Participation
1. The House Post Office/Civil Service Committee has
invited the CIA to testify at an open hearing on 25 April.
As one of a series of hearings being held through April,
this session will focus on the needs of those employee
groups who currently enjoy retirement entitlements that
differ from the rest of the Civil Service. The others who
are expected to testify at this hearing are the FBI,
.Department of State, firefighters and the American Foreign
Service Association. The hearing is to give these groups
the opportunity to state for the record the reasons why they
deserve special consideration. The final decisions
regarding who will testify have not been made. The FBI is
thinking about sending the Director, William H. Webster.
State is considering as their spokesman someone at the
Assistant Secretary level; the Secretary of State will not
appear. (Each agency wants to know the level of management
that other agencies are sending before making a commitment.)
2. On 27 March, I met with the following Committee
staffers:
Thomas R. DeYulia, Staff Director
Robert E. Lockhart, General Counsel
Pierce Myers, Deputy General Counsel
I called for the meeting to discuss several issues related
to CIA's participation in the hearing and to hear the
staff's views and advice. The issues I raised were 1) the
difficulties posed by testifying at an open hearing that
would be widely publicized, 2) the current dialog between
the Agency and the Administration that potentially could
limit an Agency statement at this time, and 3) the role of
HPSCI and the question of jurisdiction.
3. Insofar as open testimony, I stated that ideally,
the Agency could state our case vis-a-vis retirement systems
loudly and publicly, and that as the Committee considered
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the existing systems and the design of a supplemental
system, we wanted the Committee's support. However, the
essence of the Agency's case, that which demonstrates the
uniqueness of organizational needs and of Agency employment
could not be discussed in an open hearing. I suggested that
if this Committee did have jurisdiction over any aspect of
Agency retirement and would be in a position to influence
the changes being discussed, then we needed to think about
alternatives to open testimony. Tom DeYulia agreed that one
alternative was for the Agency to make a brief, unclassified
statement, then to go into a closed session so that the
members and cleared staff could hear specific concerns. He
advocated that the Agency had to speak out and make its case
known or the Agency would lose.
4. With regard to the Administration, not much was
said. I explained that we were still talking with OMB.
DeYulia stated that it is very important to have total
Administration support for the Agency's position. DeYulia
understands the coordination process for executive agency
appearances before Congress.
5. On the matter of jurisdiction, DeYulia is unclear
and will get back to me. If HPSCI were to have full
jurisdiction, all the Agency would have to do for the
hearing is appear and make a very brief statement. DeYulia
suggested that the Agency might state that we have unique
concerns and we request that the Agency be exempted or
excluded from any changes that would have an adverse impact
on our system, and that we will be working with our
oversight committee. The Department of State might be in a
similar situation in terms of jurisdiction, but not having
the Agency's problem of testifying in open session, could
give,a full statement anyway.
6. The question of Congressional jurisdiction is
complicated by the fact that we are working with four
problems: the existing CIARDS, the existing Civil Service,
and the supplemental plan(s) that will cover new employees
who would have been covered by Civil Service, and who would
have been covered by CIARDS. Legislative jurisdiction over
the CIARDS resides in HPSCI. However, the Post Office/Civil
Service Committee oversees Civil Service, and is tasked with
resolving the problem for new Federal employees.
7. A further complication for us is the fact that there
are no crossover members between HPSCI and the Civil Service
Committee. No member of HPSCI has demonstrated an interest
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intelligence.
entitlements, it is not privy to the business of
in Federal entitlement legislation or been involved in
retirement issues. It is assumed that HPSCI does not share
the pro-Federal employee bias that characterizes the Civil
Service Committee. While this Committee likely would be
more sympathetic to the Agency's general concerns for
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