21 NOV 86 SEPSECSTATE LUNCH 1200 HOURS - STATE DEPARTMENT

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• Publication Date: November 25, 1986
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DDCI Meeting with DepSecState
1200 - State Dept.
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Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, D.C. 20505
DCI/DDCI Executive Staff 25 November 1986
MEMO FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: 21 Nov 86 DepSecState Lunch
1200 hours - State Department
There was no MFR prepared for this meeting.
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MEMORANDUM FOR: Deputy Director of Central Intelligence
Deputy Director for Intelligence
Deputy Director for Operations
TAB C Trips. You may want to ask about Whitehead's recent
Europe and fill them in on the DCI's brief visit to At25X1
TAB C you will find a short summary of Whitehead's trip from (We
did not attach the State cables their memo cites.)
TAB D Chad. State has indicated that they may wish to get your views on the
recent fighting in northern Chad.
Meeting with Deputy Secretary of State
21 November, 1200 hours, (State Department)
-- Over the last few weeks, Libya's gradually worsening problems with its
allies have boiled over into clashes.
-- Habre has been seeking to take advantage of this disarray by sending
teams of his own forces north of the 16th parallel to harrass the
Libyans. In the last week or so, his troops reportedly have bagged a
couple of Libyan aircraft.
-- At the same time, the French have stepped up their activity in
southern Chad, presumably as a warning to the Libyans.
Poindexter.
At the NIO meeting last week, the Director asked Fred Wettering to provide
him a background memo on the situation for his use with Admiral
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TAB E -- Afghanistan. State has indicated a desire to talk about Fred Ikle's
policy paper on US strategy toward Afghanistan. (This was on your
agenda with Ikie last week.) At TAB E you will find a copy of the
paper as well as a detailed commentary from the Task Force.
TAB F -- TTIC Membership. Mort Abramowitz wrote you earlier this month about
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NIO/Africa
12 November 1986
TALKING POINTS FOR THE DCI
Background
In recent weeks, internecine fighting between the two major components
of the Libyan surrogate force called GUNT in northern Chad led to Libya
supporting a predominantly Arab faction, called the CDR, and suppressing the
ethnic Gorane faction, called FAP and led by Goukouni Oueddeye. Libyan
forces have arrested Goukouni, shot some of his suporters, and begun air
strikes against FAP positions. Most of the 2,000 strong FAP contingent has
begun attacking Libyans. Some FAP units have fled to tribal strongholds in
the north while others have fled to rally to the Habre Government.
President Habre has negotiated battlefield alliances with several FAP units
and begun sending them supplies in return for their staying in the north to
fight Libya.
President Habre is increasing pressure on the French government to
provide air cover for his forces to go north.
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already hit some FAP and civilian positions and are likely to demoralize
potential anti-Libyan guerrillas. Habre reportedly will once again press
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the United States for "Stinger" missiles to negate Libyan air control
Recommendations
The question of supply of "Stinger" missiles to Habre should be
reexamined. Since there is an overt program of supply of US weaponry,
including surface-to-surface missiles (REDEYEs). such a program should most
logically be overt under Defense auspices.
Talking Points
-- Habre does need some form of reliable defense against Libyan air
strikes, which have in the past badly demoralized his fighters. Habre
reportedly has sent a few SAM-7s north. They are not likely to have an
effect. It is questionable whether the 50 US-supplied REDEYE missiles
will do much better.
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The French government is unlikely to provide air cover for Habre north
of the 16th parallel unless Qadhafi badly miscalculates and provides a
pretext for such an intervention. A Libyan strike too close to the 16th
parallel or south of it is possible. The French attitude toward
supporting a guerrilla campaign in the north and toward possible US
su 1 of antiaircraft missiles has evolved in a favorable direction
The 4,500 strong Libyan garrison in northern Chad are well dug in but
would appear to be extremely vulnerable to guerrilla action. The major
Libyan outposts require extensive logistical support by road convoy and
air delivery in this inhospitable environment.
Increased pressure on Libyan forces in Chad detracts from Libyan
ca abilities in nei hborin Ni er.
Qadhafi's intentions to subvert the pro-Western Kountche
regime in Niger are clear and most recently manifested in an arrest last
week of a Niger dissident from Libya caught caching a truckload of arms
near Niamey--arms designed for unspecified terrorist actions in the
Niger capital.
The Libyan army does not like Chad duty. In 1983, Qadhafi faced a near
mutiny of Libyan troops and had to purge the units that had served in
Chad. Libyan army unhappiness will now rise since they have, for the
first time since 1983. been in limited combat and taken some losses.
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November 7, 1986
Mr. Robert M. Gates
Deputy Director for Intelligence
Central Intelligence Agency
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Now that the Chairman of TTIC has been newly designated, it
seems an appropriate time to review the Committee's function
and to address an anomaly which has bothered us for some time.
As you know, the TTIC membership includes policy
officials. To the best of our knowledge, TTIC is the only
interagency intelligence committee which invites policy
officials to participate in the production or review of
intelligence judgments. While it is clearly desirable to have
members of the intelligence community participate on committees
charged with policy or operational matters, it is, in our view,
unwise to have policy officials--who must support a specific
policy viewpoint--participate in the formulation of
intelligence judgments.
I think it would be wise, now that TTIC has changed
leadership, to review the membership of that Committee and
ensure that, as an intelligence arm, it include only those
legitimately eligible to participate in the intelligence
analytical and estimative process. As matters now stand, we
risk the erosion of TTIC's integrity as an Intelligence
Committee over the long term as policy officials come and go.
I am sure you will agree that this is a precedent to be avoided.
To the extent that TTIC has been engaged in operational
matters (which I understand has not been its real function),
they should be transferred to the SIG/TT or an appropriate
committee under Ambassador Bob Dean. I will be happy to help
arrange the transfer of any such function to an appropriate
policy committee.
Sincerely,
Morton I. Abramowitz
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
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DDI-05271X-86
18 November 1986
MEMORANDUM FOR: Acting Director of Central Intelligence
VIA: Deputy Director for Intelligenc eL
FROM:
Director of Scientific and Weapons Research
SUBJECT: Talking Points (C)
REFERENCE: ER 5321X, dtd. 7 November 1986, Letter From Abramowitz
Regarding TTIC Membership
1. Action: None. Background and talking points in reply to referenced letter
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from Ambassador Morton I. Abramowitz.
2. Background: On 7 November, Ambassador Abramowitz sent you a letter
proposing that TTIC review its membership with an eye to excluding policy officials
and that TTIC transfer some of its functions to the SIG/TT and Ambassador Dean.
INR, in this case, is acting as spokesman for Political/Military and some regional
bureaus who believe DoD's role has been too strong. In particular, State is
concerned that DoD is pressuring COMEX--the subcommittee of TTIC which examines
East-West visas and academic exchanges--to restrict exchanges with the Warsaw
Pact.
3. State is overreacting. INR/Technology Transfer also believes the letter is
an overreaction and argued against sending it, but lost to the pressure of PM and
others. The issue of policy membership on TTIC was debated in 1981 when TTIC was
organized. Then-DDCI Inman argued that policy membership Id give TTIC
relevance. History indicates that was a correct decision.
4. Although DoD--and other policy actors including State--have tried to
pressure TTIC, a review of TTIC papers and recommendations indicate that they
reflect available intelligence evidence and analysis. Indeed, only Intelligence
Community representatives are allowed to vote on key judgments and
reco endations. Others have a full voice, and can offer evidence, but cannot
vote.
5. Recommendation: Chairman/TTIC and I recommend you use the attached talking
points in your discussion with Ambassador Abramowitz. While rejecting the
Ambassador's general points you leave the door open to review specific examples of
policy interference with the TTIC process
Attachment
As stated
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Talking Points
As you recall, TTIC was established in December 1981 with
representatives designated by the National Foreign Intelligence
Council principals. Reflecting the nominations from NFIC, TTIC
includes NFIB members plus representatives from the NSC,
Department of Commerce, Secretary of Defense, and the Department
Nonetheless, the membership has always been controversial, in
part because the line between technology transfer policy issues
and intelligence questions is not always clear.
The issue of including policy community representatives on TTIC
was debated extensively when the Committee was organized. It was
decided that having the policy community represented in TTIC gave
the Committee product more relevance.
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It was decided early on, however, that while members of TTIC,
policy community representatives would not have a vote on key
judgments and recommendations of TTIC studies. Substantive
inputs from knowledgeable policy community representatives have
been requested and have been useful. Strongly held policy views
are reflected in attributed footnotes.
- State and DoD representatives have both used this
vehicle.
The results indicate that these initial decisions were correct.
-- TTIC addresses relevant issues because the policy
community is directly involved.
-- A review of the decisions and a survey of TTIC studies,
such as on India and on the impact of selling fiber
optic technology to China shows that the judgments
reflect intelligence reporting and analysis.
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Moreover, TTIC is already closely involved with the SIG/TT and
with Ambassador Dean.
-- Many of the TTIC studies have been at the request of the
SIG/TT.
Chairman/TTIC, meets with
Ambassador Dean regularly and has been invited by the
Ambassador to brief the high-level meeting of COCOM next
year.
Although I believe TTIC is effective as currently organized, if
you have specific examples of undue policy interference let me or
Chairman/TTIC know. Like you, we want to maintain the integrity
of TTIC's product.
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