MINUTES OF THE FIFTIETH MEETING 18 OCTOBER 1972

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• Publication Date: November 20, 1972
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20 November 1972
U N I T E D S T A T E S I N T E L L I G E N C E B 0 A R D
INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION HANDLING COMMITTEE
Minutes of the Fiftieti Meeting, 18 October 1972
Members or Representatives Present
Chairman
CIA
State
DIA
NSA
Army
Navy
Secretary
- Mr. Charles A. Briggs
- Mr. William P. Deary
DCI/IC
- Col. Patrick A. Ulmen
- Capt. Leonard E. Tillerson
IHC/SS
Others Present
CIA
NSA
Navy
- Mr. Edward L. Barker
Secretary's Note
1. Attendance at this meeting was restricted to members
and those the members felt would be useful contributors to the
discussions of the agenda items.
Approval of Minutes
2. The minutes of the previous meeting (IHC-M-49, 12 October
1972) were approved without changes.
Appointment of New Executive Secretary
3. The Chairman announced that after five years on the
Staff,
is returning to CIA to replace Mr.
on Mr. Briggs' staff. The new Executive Secretary,
IHC is~ from CIA's Office of Computer
Services. The Chairman congratulated for an
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outstanding job with the Staff. Mr. Deary moved and it was
unanimously seconded that the minutes show a vote of apprecia-
tion for all that had done.
4. The Chairman has discussed with) la list
of projects, problems and ideas in which the Committee should
become involved. After has been thoroughly briefed
by the IHC members and has receive other specific briefing ,
he will develop recommendations and a plan of attack.
will coordinate the briefings by the Services.
6. Mr. Briggs mentioned a proposal by Dr. A. Michael
Noll of OST, with 0MB involvement, that computer security is
a problem and must be translated into some kind of action.
One proposal is that Dr. Ruth Davis of the NBS be the focal
point for the public sector on this matter and the most
interested art in the intelligence community would obviously
be NSA. replied that NSA was discussing this matter,
but there is a question of resources and alternatives. The
question appears to be: "Should some agency in the U.S.
Government be assigned the responsibility for computer
security?" Mr. Briggs thought that there should be discussions
between USIB and USCSB on this subject. was
requested to follow CSS/SECOM activity on upgrading COINS
to the TK level.
7. Mr. Barker discussed the problem about varying inter-
pretations of DCID 1/16 which arose after an examination of
terminal security at FICPAC. He thought that DCID 1/16 should
be updated. The Chairman remarked that now, when they are
rewriting the DCIDs, is an appropriate time to do so. Mr.
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Briggs remarked that it is very difficult to certify the
security of a system which might be modified the next day,
and that DCID 1/16 can only be a policy guide. He questioned
whether there really needed to be DCIDs on such technical
questions and suggested there should be back-up documentation
on things required to build networks, including: stan
COMDute security, solutions and things of that sort.
remarked that the Commands badly need guidance now;
they are uncertain about the security of some of their internal
systems. Mr. Deary said, in his opinion, the DCID form had
often been used to help USIB members in dealing with their
own organizations, and as semi-statutes had often proven
helpful in this context, but, in the final analysis, under
all DCIDs the princiDal must be the judge. The Chairman
said that memo had exposed an obvious problem,
and he will ask Mr. Pettibone to confer with the IHC before
publishing a replacement for DCID 1/16.
National Intelligence Program Memorandum (NIPM) Discussions
8. The NIPM has several general paragraphs on the develop-
ment of a community information network. S ecificall COINS is
being evaluated under the aegis of IRAC by___________ DASD/I.
The DCI indicated a strop desire to have users' groups well
represented on group. The Chairman and
thought that the group's terms of reference did not focus sharply
enough on COINS, and attdmpted to do too much. Action on this
item is being handled separately by the DCI/IC Staff.
9. The Chairman was to meet a group from 0MB to discuss
this area. (Questions had been distributed to the members.)
In discussing the topics the Committee agreed that it is very
difficult for systems to do what 0MB is looking for--the same
work at decreased cost. At best, systems usually give more
capability at the same cost. If the 0MB group had questions
on costs, the Chairman would refer them to and the
NIPM and will point out that until this year it was impossible
to identify money going into the network development, since
it was put into budgets for other things--hardware, training,
etc.
10. The Chairman asked if the members had any axes to
rind such as cute rojects for which he could intercede.
and were very concerned that Dr. Hall has
not yet released the money for COINS and DELTA (formerly JIRN).
Mr. Briggs had the impression that since this was also their
first year with the NIPM, the 0MB people weren't quite sure
how to.proceed either--hence "discussions" rather than
"hearings." said that due to a misunderstanding
0MB is expecting the DIA to present a plan for the community
system communications network, rather than the planned
automated information exchange system which incidentally
uses communications. Also, after being told by OSD to
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be specific in defining an effort to perform R&D and design
work in support of current intelligence and warning, such
as DELTA, they are now criticized by 0MB for being too
specific.
11. Mr. Deary pointed out that there are really two
types of analysts: the first; capable of using a lot of
machined data, and the second; a current intelligence type,
still wedded to text in hard copy. Mr. Briggs pointed out
that in CIA the latter type still dominates, though there
are many organizations using remote terminals and computer
assistance. Mr. Deary and both had examples of
traditional analysts favorably impressed with the CSOC opera-
tion. thought that as a final point, the 0MB
people must face the alternative to better exchange of
information.
12.1 Mr. Briggs could not agree with everything in L___]
paper; however, he did find it to be an extremely
useful articulation of the problem area. He thought too
many people were getting the same things and that processing
centers performing a filtering function like NPIC, FMSAC,
or DEFSMAC, were a good thing. said they were
absolutely essential, but had grown without examining whether
the filter really works or is clogged up; he added that perhaps
the analyst is not aware of what is really available. CSOC,
for example, processes material in a few minutes, but the
information goes to users slowly (by teletype). Mr. Briggs
questioned whether most analysts need so much data so quickly.
He stated that within a decade there probably will be executive
agents assigned to build files and maintain them for remote
query, because by then no one could afford to handle all the
data. The biggest stumbling block to this is the analysts'
reluctance to use another agency's files. pointed
out that even today analysts are dependent on other agencies
filtering; NSA for example. Mr. Briggs stated that CIA has
always insisted on full dissemination; however, if we can get
a firm agreement that the files will be built and maintained,
according to certain standards, it will be a major step forward.
Mr. Deary pointed out that most analysts at State do not need
the masses of discrete data that NSA can send, but also resist
using summaries. But still they've made no distinction in what
should come in by teletype--other agencies must have similar
problems.
Reorganization of IHC Subcommittees-
13. The Chairman questioned whether the present organization
of the Committee and the Support Staff is adequate to handle our
work. Rather than the present three subcommittees, perhaps
we should have a subcommittee on User Requirements, an ADP
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Systems Subcommittee (which would include R&D), and a Teleprocessing
Subcommittee, which would absorb that portion of
Telecommunications Working Group of USIB concerned with the use of
telecommunications as part of the processing system.
thought it was healthy to look at other orientations since the
subcommittees are practically inactive. He stated that it's
very healthy to think of other orientation for both the sub-
committees as well as emphasis for the staff; we ought to give
a chance to get his feet on the ground and get
involved in the recommendations. The Chairman said that the
reason for having the User Study Group this summer was that we
were not organized to do this analysis ourselves. Mr. Briggs
thought it would be psychologically advantageous to have such
a subcommittee; it would help convince managers that there is,
in fact, a user input to systems.
14. The Chairman suggested there might be some structure
other than subcommittees, perhaps working groups. Mr. Briggs
pointed out that subcommittees under the present DCIDs have to
be approved by the DCI; working groups don't. and
Col. Ulmen preferred task-oriented working groups. a hairman
stated that he is having identify for IHC the tasks
that need to be looked at; then we'll get a rou of people
contributed by IHC members and headed by or someone
else to look at each problem.
15. Col. Ulmen stated that from the Army's point of view,
the most important task is a solution to the multi-level security
problem. A solution must be found as soon as possible, perhaps
via a milestone-oriented, product-oriented task group monitored
and managed by the IHC to generate policy papers and actions.
He does not believe that there should be a delay until guidance
comes from the Computer Security Subcommittee. They are still
waiting for the results of the DIAOLS test; meanwhile hardware
is being deployed and a prompt solution to the security problem
is required.
16. Mr. Briggs pointed out the DCIDs Congressionally-
assigned responsibility to protect sources and methods.
favored draftin such a task statement as Col. Ulmen
suggested. said that delay adds to the security
problem.' Mr. eary stated there should be no agonizing over
"need to know"; each agency has always been the judge of who
has the need to know. Mr. Briggs stated that technology has
put the problem beyond the control of the releasing agency.
Because of analysts' needs there had been several suggestions
to USIB that these compartments be abolished, but they weren't
ready for that yet.
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17. The Chairman requested that all members give some
thought to reorganizing the structure of the Support Staff;
he said that ad hoc committees are great for certain tasks
but that he does not want to operate on the basis of ad hoc
subcommittees. With permanent subcommittees, he stated, you
can operate more effectively and efficiently.
Other Business
1.8. The Chairman asked the members to meet with
and go over the list he has prepared with him, and
familiariz 7him with their problems and ro'ects. He wanted
to thoroughly familiarize with COINS
including sub-studies.
19. The Chairman added that if the new DCIDs are accepted,
one will be an overall general DCID saying how the DCID structure
is going to operate and that the chairmen and committees will be
responsible for their own organizations.
Next Meeting
20. The next meeting. is scheduled for 15 November 1972.
Executive Secretary
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