SPYING

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP90-00552R000303570052-8
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 1
• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 12, 2011
• Sequence Number: 52
• Publication Date: July 21, 1985
• Content Type: OPEN SOURCE

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ABC -- THIS WEEK WITH DAVID BRINKLEY
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Guests: Stanislav Levchenko, former KGB recruiter; Ret. en. is ar
h we , Sen. Patrick Leahy, former U. S. Attorney General Griffin Bell.
Correspondents: George Will, Charles Gibson.
Subject: Spying.
Donaldson: Why had we not been prosecuting spies?
Bell: difficult to try spy cases because of the procedures in the
e- Tc eral court system. It's easy to practice graymail, in the sense of
malting the secret available to the public. This means that you're very
reluctant to bring a case to trial if there's a danger of losing the secret.
We have problems with disclosing sources and methods. It's just easier
not to prosecute sometimes then to prosecute.... It's ludicrous to say that
every time we catch a spy we should not prosecute.... There are more
spies in this country probably in the last few years. We have such an
open society, we let other governments send people here in the guise of
students, and those sort of positions, and we don't have any limit on the
number of spies a country can send. President Reagan recently said we
ought to have a limit on the number. I said that when I was Attorney
General.... You say anyone that's caught is going to prison unless they
have diplomatic immunity, in which event they would be expelled from the
country. That would mean there would be a slowdown in the number of
people who were sent here to spy.
Sen. Leahy: People are finally starting to take (spying) seriously, and
some o the steps we've taken -- counterespionage with the FBI -- is
paying off. But it still is not being taken seriously enough. The Walker
case is an example of negligence on the part of the Navy.
Gen. Stilwell: It is an enormously large and complex problem -- the
business U -protection of classified information for the Department of
Defense.... Over the last four years, we have enormously increased the
size and capabilities of our counterintelligence capabilities. Like anything
else, the rules have to be reviewed from time to time to ensure they are
fully complied with. There is no question about it that there has been
lack of 100% disciplined compliance with the rules currently in effect,
which are good rules, for the protection of classified information. And so
it's time for review.
Sen. Leahy: A lot of the very significant improvements in the intelligence
community have come about because both the House and the Senate
Intelligence Committees have formed the kind of bipartisan consensus
needed to push them through.... There's no way you could pass a law to
outlaw the Soviets spying here, but you could certainly cut down the
number of those who have diplomatic immunity and give the FBI a fighting
chance. Right now they don't have that.
Donaldson: How do the KGB go about recruiting agents?
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