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DOBYNS: I'm Lloyd Dobyns. o
has to do with a candidate for the presidency and his followers. There is no
!shortage of candidates, heaven knows. The Federal Election Commission says
there are 168 candidates in this election year, including-at least one robot and
maybe a coyote. Mark Nykanen has a story about one of the 81 candidates for the
Democratic nomination, a man named Lyndon LaRouche. Since his name didn't come
up in the results of the New Hampshire primary, you may not know him. But you
may be aware of at least one of his causes, and you may have run into some of
his followers. There are only 450 or so in the United States; but they're
active.
NYKANEN: They have almost become fixtures in airports all across the country.
They ire mostly white, well-educated and earnest. They sell magazines that
promote nuclear power. And they display signs critical of Walter Mondale and
.others. These people are part of a political cult run by Lyndon LaRouche.
LYNDON LAROUCHE (Presidential Candidate): Democrats, let those of us who
remember, take back the leadership of the Democratic Party from this gang that's
taken it over.
!NYXANEN: LaRouche is a presidential candidate. He also ran in 1976 and 1980.
He says he's a conservative Democrat. But party leaders'say he has his own-
`beliefs. He says, for example, that the Queen of England is a dope dealer.
X X X X X X X X
NYKANEN: LaRouche and his followers have formed a tightly-knit organization,
the inner workings of which are not well-known to outsiders. Tonight, we'll
talk to some former members. They call themselves defectors. And we'll look at
LaRouche's involvements in local and national elections; with the Teamsters
Union and the Reagan administration. We'll examine charges that he is an
anti-Semite. We'll also see how LaRouche and his followers have suppressed some
unfavorable news stories and tried to intimidate reporters. LaRouche's public
involvement in politics began in the late 1960s here at Columbia University. He
was the leader of a splinter group in the left-wing SDS, Students for a
!Democratic Society. And at that time, he called himself Lynn Marcus.
NYKANEN: LaRouche broke from the SDS and recruited other members to join him in
a new, even more militant, left-wing group, the National Caucus of Labor
Commiftees. In 1973, LaRouche ordered his followers to physically attack dozens
of political opponents. Many were hospitalized.
X X X X X X X X
NYKANEN: In the-late 1970s, LaRouche became an extreme right-winger. Most of
,his cult fell into line. He then sought support from conservative Republicans.
But he didn't win over all of them. Gen. Daniel Graham is a former director of
the Defense Intelligence Agency. GEN. GRAHAM: Well, I think he's a phony. I
think the man is picking up issues, people of my conservative stripe, tend to
_jWpport and than making a mockery out of them.
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NYKANEN: In 1971, LaRouche and his followers began to establish offices abroad.I
Defectors say there are about 600 followers outside the United States. This is l
LaRouche's European headquarters in Weisbaden, Germany. Staffers here are in
daily contact with other LaRouche offices in Belgium, France, Italy, Denmark,
Sweden, Latin America, the Far East, and the United States. LaRouche claims all
of his offices form a worldwide network that gathers secret information from
foreign governments. First Camera has learned that in the United States.,
LaRouche and some of his closest associates have met on numerous occasions with
officials of the State Department, Drug Enforcement Administration and CIA. We
have also learned that LaRouche has easy access to high-ranking members of the
Reagan administration. Producer Pat *Lynch talked to Dr. Norman Baylor. He is
a special assistant to President Reagan on the National Security Council.
BAYLOR: About a year after I joined the National Security Council, I was
contacted by the LaRouche people. I agreed to meet with them, and I met with
them several times thereafter. This I found useful, quite simply because they
have, in my view, one of the best private intelligence services in the world so
that to me it was useful to talk to them. They also are very strongly in favor
of certain programs that the administration is very much in favor of, also.
LYNCH: But does-he have any influence on President Reagan and his policies, or
in his policy makers? BAYLOR: Well, I think that some people other than myself
used him before, and continue to use his organization as a source of
information, yes.
NYKANEN: Recently LaRouche's organization sued NBC News for $60 million. He
claims to have been libeled. UNIDENTIFIED INTERVIEWER #1 (Excerpt from CNN
'Crossfires': Isn't it true, Mr. LaRouche, that you said that the National
Broadcasting Company was interviewing you, or trying to interview you, or you
were doing a show for them, that they were KGB agents? LAROUCHE: Well, there
is a national security angle in the NBC organization. INTERVIEWER #1: The KGB?
LAROUCHE: Absolutely. UNIDENTIFIED INTERVIEWER'#2: Is it just because First
Camera is apparently doing an investigative story on you? Is that not true?
LAROUCHE: Yeah. A lot of people are. INTERVIEWER #2: All right. Is that.'..
LAROUCHE: No, they're not doing an investigation... INTERVIEWER #2: Is that
why you're hassling them? LAROUCHE: No, no, no. The point is they're working
with the drug law, (inaudible) admitted it.
NYKANEN: LaRouche and his followers have long used hate campaigns against their
political opponents, Dr. Henry Kissinger, the Anti-Defamation League, Diplomat
*Averill Harriman, and the Quakers. -Sen. Daniel Patrick'Moynihan. Why
shouldn't they just be ignored? MOYNIHAN: Because they're there, and they'are
after us, and they do recruit, and they do misrepresent things, and they do drop
little bits of poison into the political bloodstream. Any lie that is vicious
enough, somebody will believe it. Any slander that is cruel enough, somebody
will have to enjoy it and be tempted to take it in. You have to fight them.
UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR #2: Lyndon LaRouche has the politic-al experience and the
political boldness to create a Facist dictatorship in this country if he were
backed by the right people.
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DOBYNS: On Feb. 24, Mr. LaRouche filed a suit against the Secretary of she
Treasury, Donald Regan, who is the cabinet officer in charge of the Secret
Service. The suit asks that Secretary Regan be ordered to assign Secret Service
protection to candidate LaRouche, who claims that he is a, quote, 'major
presidential candidate,' and his ability to campaign is being hampered without
federal protection. Two days earlier, on Feb. 22, after his news conference,
President Reagan was asked by reporter *Laura Chasen of the Executive
Intelligence Review, to provide Mr. LaRouche with Secret Service protection. Of
course, if Mr. LaRouche wins his $60 million suit against First Camera, he can
hire all the bodyguards he wants.
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4 March 1984
Sunday
Our first report
has to do with a candidate for the presidency and his followers. There is no
shortage of candidates, heaven knows. The Federal Election Commission says
there are 168 candidates in this election year, including at least one robot and
maybe a coyote. Mark Nykanen has a story about one of the 81 candidates for the
Democratic nomination, a man named Lyndon LaRouche. Since his name didn't come
up in the results of the New Hampshire primary, you may not know him. But you
may be aware of at least one of his causes, and you may have run into some of
his followers. There are only 450 or so in the United States; but they're
active.
NYKANEN: They have almost become fixtures in airports all across the country.
They are mostly white, well-educated and earnest. They sell magazines that
promote nuclear power. And they display signs critical of Walter Mondale and
others. These people are part of a political cult run by Lyndon LaRouche.
LYNDON LAROUCHE (Presidential Candidate): Democrats, let those of us who
remember, take back the leadership of the Democratic Party from this gang that's
taken it over.
NYKANEN: LaRouche is a,presidential candidate. He also ran in 1976 and 1980.
He says he's a conservative Democrat. But party leaders say he has his own
beliefs. He says, for example, that the Queen of England is a dope dealer.
LAROUCHE: Of course she's pushing drugs. That is, in the sense of
responsibility, the head of a gang that is pushing drugs.* She knows it's
happening. And she isn't stopping it.
NYKANEN: And LaRouche has said repeatedly that nuclear war is upon us.
LAROUCHE: We are in dire consequences right now. We're headed to a
thermonuclear confrontation within the current 12 months, that is, a 12-month.
span. We might blow up before then.
NYKANEN: And he claims powerful people have targeted him for assassination.
LAROUCHE: I'm on the same general list which includes a number-of people, of.
targets. President Reagan is on the list. Same list with Pope Paul II, John
Paul II. Same list with Helmut Schmidt, the West German, and a number of other
people.
NYKANEN: LaRouche's critics include Irwin Sowell, the fact finding director of
B'nai B'rith anti-defamation league. IRWIN SOWELL: He is a small-time Hitler,
if. I can put it that way, in that he regurgitates many of the things that Hitler
did. But he does-it in a somewhat ambivalent way, to a somewhat camouflaged
way.
NYKANEN: And Dennis King, who has written numerous articles about LaRouche.
KING: LaRouche says that he would create a new race of golden souls to rule
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over humanity. Now this is Adolph Hitler's program, pure and simple, only
transplanted in the 1980s, and to the United States rather-than to Germany.
NYKANEN: LaRouche and his followers have formed a tightly-knit organization,
the inner workings of which are not well-known to outsiders. Tonight, we'll
talk to some former members. They call themselves defectors. And we'll look at
LaRouche's involvements in local and national elections; with the Teamsters
Union and the Reagan administration. We'll examine charges that he is an
anti-Semite. We'll also see how LaRouche and his followers have suppressed some
unfavorable news stories and tried to intimidate reporters. LaRouche's public
involvement in politics began in the late 1960s here at Columbia University. He
was the leader of a splinter group in the left-wing SDS, Students for a
Democratic Society. And at that time, he called himself Lynn Marcus. That's
how he was known to John Reese, the publisher of a politically conservative
magazine. REESE: Well, I first met Lyndon LaRouche in New York in the late
1960s, '66, '67, when he was clearly a Marxist and teaching at a loft evening
class organization called the Free University of New York.
NYKANEN: LaRouche broke from the SDS and recruited other members to join him in
a new, even more militant, left-wing group, the National Caucus of Labor
Committees. In 1973, LaRouche ordered his followers to physically attack dozens
of political opponents. Many were hospitalized. This defector lives in fear
because she knew LaRouche during the mid 1970s. She says that LaRouche's cult
completely controls a member's life. UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR: If you join the
Labor Committee, you're separated from your own friends, you're separated from
your family. You're doing Labor Committee activities, six days a week, 12 hours
a day. Where you'll shop, what you eat, what you read, what you think about
will be determined by the fact tht you're a member of the National Caucus of
Labor Committees. His members are told, those that are married, that to have a
child would, you know, would really interfere with their political activity and
have disastrous effects upon humanity. I personally accompanied at least seven
women to get abortions. If you were pregnant and you were in the Labor
Committee, you had done something wrong.
NYKANEN: In the'late 1970s, LaRouche became an extreme right-winger. Most of
his cult fell into line. He then sought support from conservative Republicans.
But he didn't win over all of them. Gen. Daniel Graham is a former director of,
the Defense Intelligence Agency. GEN. GRAHAM: Well, I think he's a phony. I
think the man is picking up issues, people of my conservative stripe, tend to
.apport and then making a mockery out of them. UNIDENTIFIED CAMPAIGN WORKER:
Vote LaRouche: Lyndon LaRouche:
NYKANEN: Although a self-proclaimed conservative, LaRouche entered the 1980
Democratic presidential primary in New Hampshire. The tactics of his campaign
angered people there. CAMPAIGN WORKER: America needs a redblooded American in
the White House. We don't need a whole -generation destroyed on drugs.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I don't need to be purified: You hear that? I'm pure: Pure
enough:
CAMPAIGN WORKER: You don't have to lecture me, Mister!
NYKANEN: Chris Spiro says he was also offended by the LaRouche campaign. Spiro
is the New Hampshire House Democratic leader. SPIRO: As the campaign in 1980
started, I started getting phone calls from his supporters all over the place
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pressuring me to support Lyndon LaRouche. I got calls from all over the place,
in the middle of the night, waking my family up, waking me up and telling me
that I'd better support Lyndon LaRouche.
NYKANEN: When Spiro did not support him, LaRouche's campaign literature labeled
him a drug dealer with links to organized crime.; John Prestige said LaRouche
tried to intimidate him. In 1980 he was a reporter for The Manchester Union
Leader in New Hampshire. PRESTIGE: He came into the paper with about 12
people, body guards, his wife and what not. I believe they were carrying some
guns and we had to make them leave their guns downstairs. During that
interview, he told me there were certain things that I could not say, in my
stories. And of course that piqued my curiosity. And, he told me that he would
make it very painful for me if I wrote certain things. And I asked him, well,
what do you mean by painful? And he kind of chuckled with the rest of the
people there and said we have ways of making it painful beyond lawsuits. We had
three cats. And on successive days following the articles, the cats were found
on my doorstep, dead. .
NYKANEN: LaRouche campaigned hard in New Hampshire. But high-ranking defectors
say he feared he would not get many votes. They say that was the reason he paid
more than $90,000 for advice from political consultants in Michigan, said to be
linked to organized crime. The defectors also say LaRouche paid thousands of
dollars to this man, George Rader. They said Rader was supposed to help
LaRouche get votes in New Hampshire. According to congressional testimony,
Rader was an associate of New England organized crime. Kader denies this.
Rader would not talk to us on camera. Privately, he said LaRouche and his
gun-toting followers asked him for help in the primary. Kader said two of his
men worked for LaRouche-for one month, were not paid what they had been
promised, and quit the campaign. Kader said he, personally, never received any
money from LaRouche. Defectors say.LaRouche can afford to spend a lot of money
because each week about $180,000 flows into his organization, much of it from
the sale of magazines at airports. Executive Intelligence Review, for example,
costs $400 for a year's subscription. LaRouche also received more than a half
million dollars in federal taxpayer funds in 1980 because he qualified as a
presidential candidate. Now, the Federal Election Commission, FEC, says the
LaRouche campaign did not follow his spending rules and has told his campaign to
pay back almost $50,000. The FEC also told his campaign to pay a $15,000
penalty for violating its rules in 1980. So far, the LaRouche campaign has not
complied with- the FEC request for the money. In 1980, the campaign also ran
into trouble in Baltimore, when Deborah Freeman illegally transferred money into
LaRouche's presidential war chest. Freeman paid a $2500 fine for illegal
campaign financing. UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR: Money from.the profit-making
organizations went into political campaigns. And was not correctly reported.
Money from the tax exempt organization was given to the political campaign,
unbeknownst to the people who made the contributions through tax exempt
organizations. UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR 2:- Any serious investigation by the
Internal Revenue Service would lead to Criminal indictment and closing down of
the LaRouche organization.
NYKANEN: LaRouche's followers also have claimed election victories that are not
theirs. They said for example, that Jim Bowman of Santa Clara, Calif., was
their winner in a recent school board election. JIM BOWMAN: Makes me angry.
Just about all I can gay is not so, it's a lie. I paid for my own campaign
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funds. I put my own ads in the paper, I had my own cards printed. I have the
receipts here now.
NYKANEN: Bowman says he never was a follower of LaRouche. He only bought a
subscription to a LaRouche newspaper at an airport.
ANNOUNCER: Part two of our report on Lyndon LaRouche continues in a moment.
DOBYNS: Mark Nykanen's report continues. It is about Lyndon LaRouche, a
candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.
UNIDENTIFIED KLANSMAN: And fortunately, there are many more Americans that feel
the same as we do. UNIDENTIFIED BLACK MAN: You are sick. You know that. You
are sick.
NYKANEN: Former members say LaRouche and his followers have also cultivated
extreme right-wing groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Posse Comitatus, a
militant anti-Semitic organization. Erwin Sowell, of the ADL, says LaRouche's
ties to anti-Semites is not surprising. SOWELL: He and his organzation have
made charges against the Jews, prominent Jewish organizations, Jewish
persofaliteis, that indicates he thinks the Jews are responsible for every evil
that besets the world. '
NYKANEN: LaRouche would not answer questions for this report. But two years
ago, I asked him about these charges. LAROUCHE: Anyone who says I'm an
anti-Semite is either repeating gossip and therefore a liar in that sense, or if
they know the least thing about me. There's a lot lying. So I don't bother
dealing with that.
NYKANEN: LaRouche's organization sued the ADL for saying it was anti-Semitic
and lost. SOWELL: He charged us, when we described him as anti-Semitic, with
libeling him. That's the issue that the court decide upon and held that in view
of the vast amount of evidence that we amassed and produced in court, there
could be no question that our comment that he was anti-Semitic was a fair
comment.
NYKANEN: LaRouche's most successful alliance is with the International
Brotherhood of Teamsters. Defectors say the Teamsters union has funneled money
into LaRouche's cult. UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR #2: They got payments from
teamster leaderships to harass and propagandize in an unscrupulous way against
Teamster dissidents in the union. They were friends, for instance, with Jackie
Presser, who's the president of Teamsters now, was on Reagan's transition team.
They printed pamphlets slandering Teamster dissidents, and the Teamsters union
paid for these things to be reprinted, and thousands and thousands of copies
were distributed through the union.
NYKANEN: These members of LaRouche's cult were among those who were trained in
guerrilla warfare at this, school in *Powder Springs, Ga. *Mitchell Robell III
ran the school until his death in?l983. UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR: I firmly
believe that Lyndon LaRouche's control over his membership is such that he could
incite people to violence. They are armed, and they are dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR #2: These people are not psychologically-the most stable
in the world, and they could be directed to do something at LaRouche's bidding
without any consideration on their own part of whether it was right or not.
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UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Including killing someone? UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR #2:
Yeah. They would do whatever he told them.
NYKANEN: In August 1977 former Georgia police officer Larry Cooper was paid to
guard LaRouche in Weisbaden, Germany. He says at that time LaRouche told his
top staff that he wanted to assassinate President Carter and members of his
administration. Cooper says he left Germany immediately and told *Mitchell
Robell III. This man was present when Robell was informed of the plot. He does
not want his identity known. UNIDENTIFIED MAN: He proposed to assassinate, as
I recall, it was Zbigniew Brzezinski, *Joseph Lauden, who's the secretary of
General NATO, Paul Warnke, of the arms control disarmament agency, President
Carter and David Rockefeller. The method was to be the installation of small
radiocontrolled time bombs which could be detonated over the telephone lines
from foreign countries 12,000 miles away. Gen. Mitchell Robell generated a kind
of propoganda story...cover story to completely suppress the affair.
NYKANEN: In 1971, LaRouche and his followers began to establish offices abroad.
Defectors say there are about 600 followers outside the United States. This is
LaRouche's European headquarters in Weisbaden, Germany. Staffers here are in
daily contact with other LaRouche offices in Belgium, France, Italy, Denmark,
Sweden, Latin America, the Far East, and the United States. LaRouche claims all
of his offices form a worldwide network that gathers secret information from
foreign governments. First Camera has learned that in the United States,
LaRouche and some of his closest associates have met on numerous occasions with
officials of the State Department, Drug Enforcement Administration and CIA. We
have also learned that LaRouche has easy access to high-ranking members of the
Reagan administration. Producer Pat *Lynch talked to Dr. Norman Baylor. He is
a special assistant to President Reagan on the National Security Council.
BAYLOR: About a year after I joined the National Security Council, I was
contacted by the LaRouche people. I agreed to meet with them, and I met with
them several times thereafter. This I found useful, quite simply because they
have, in my view, one of the best private intelligence services in the world so
that to me it was useful to talk to them. They also are very strongly in favor
of certain programs that the administration is very much in favor of, also.
LYNCH: But does'he have any influence on President Reagan and his policies, or
in his policy makers? BAYLOR: Well, I think that some people other than myself
used him before, and continue to use his organization as a source of
information, yes.
NYKANEN: Despite all of his high-level contacts, LaRouche is still not well
known. Defectors say that's because he uses lawsuits as weapons against the
press. The technique has had some success. *CHUCK BAGER: They threatened our
paper, and the paper decided not to print an article.
NYKANEN: Chuck Bager worked for a weekly in Boston. BAGER: I was very ashamed
of that on behalf of our paper because I- wanted to do it. *ED KIACK: We were
hit with a couple of lawsuits that came`to almost $100 million.
NYKANEN: Ed Kiack? is the publisher of Our Town, a New York weekly. He says the
cost of fighting LaRouche's lawsuits almost forced him to close down his
newspaper. KIACK: It was a horrible experience. It was something we could
have done without. We're just a small paper in a big town.
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NYKANEN: Recently LaRouche's organization sued NBC News for $60 million. He
claims to have been libeled. UNIDENTIFIED INTERVIEWER #1 (Excerpt from CNN
'Crossfires': Isn't it true, Mr. LaRouche, that you said that the National
Broadcasting Company was interviewing you, or trying to -interview you, or you
were doing a show for them, that they were KGB agents? LAROUCHE: Well, there
is a national security angle in the NBC organization. INTERVIEWER #1: The KGB?
LAROUCHE: Absolutely. UNIDENTIFIED INTERVIEWER #2: Is it just because First
Camera is apparently doing an investigative story on you? Is that not true?
LAROUCHE: Yeah. A lot of people are. INTERVIEWER #2: All right. Is that...
LAROUCHE: No, they're not doing an investigation... INTERVIEWER #2: Is that
why you're hassling them? LAROUCHE: No, no, no. The point is they're working
with the drug law, (inaudible) admitted it.
NYKANEN: LaRouche and his followers have long used hate campaigns against their
political opponents, Dr. Henry Kissinger, the Anti-Defamation League, Diplomat
*Averill Harriman, and the Quakers. -Sen. Daniel Patrick'Moynihan. Why
shouldn't they just be ignored? MOYNIHAN: Because they're there, and they are
after us, and they do recruit, and they do misrepresent things, and they do drop
little bits of poison into the political bloodstream. Any lie that is vicious
enough, somebody will believe it. Any slander that is cruel enough, somebody
will have to enjoy it and be tempted to take it in. You have to fight them.
UNIDENTIFIED DEFECTOR #2: Lyndon LaRouche has the political experience and the
political boldness to create a Facist dictatorship in this country if he were
backed by the right people.
DOBYNS: On Feb. 24, Mr. LaRouche filed a suit against the Secretary of the
Treasury, Donald Regan, who is the cabinet officer in charge of the Secret
Service. The suit asks. that Secretary Regan be ordered to assign Secret Service
protection to candidate LaRouche, who claims that he is a, quote, 'major
presidential candidate,' and his ability to campaign is being hampered without
federal protection. Two days earlier, on Feb. 22, after his news conference,
President Reagan was asked by reporter *Laura Chasen of the Executive
Intelligence Review, to provide Mr. LaRouche with Secret Service protection. Of
course, if Mr. LaRouche wins his $60 million suit against First Camera, he can
hire all the bodyguards he wants.
Betty Turner and-Linda Rodgers, Transcribers
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