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• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP91-00901R000500240008-2
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: K
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• Document Creation Date: December 9, 2016
• Document Release Date: November 8, 2000
• Sequence Number: 8
• Publication Date: February 8, 1984
• Content Type: TRANS

ABCNIGHTLINE
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KOPPEL: Good evening. I'm Ted Koppel, and this is Nightline. The big guns o
the battleship New Jersey shelled targets in Lebanon today. But in capitals
around the world, it's not the sounds of fighting, it's the signal from
Washington that's getting the most attention. What will the U.S. pullback in
Lebanon mean in the long run? We'll talk about the consequences of the U.S. move
with Richard Helms, former director of the CIA and former U.S. ambassador to
Iran. and with former CIA deputy director, Admiral Bobby Inman. -
KOPPEL: With us live now in our Washington bureau is Richard\Helms, former
director of the Central Intelligence Agency and former U.S. ambassador to Iran;
and from our affiliate, KVUE, in Austin, Texas, Adm.\Bobby\Inman, former deputy
CIA director. Gentlemen, both of you have spent a professional lifetime
analyzing events such as these. Ambassador Helms, those big guns off the coast
of Lebanon now, are they covering a retreat or somehow setting a new policy?
RICHARD HELMS (Former CIA Director): I don't know that they're doing either,
Ted. It seems to me that, uh, with the collapse of the Gemayel government and
the disintegration of the Lebanese army, that it's very sensible to pull our
Marines out of Beirut and put them aboard the ships at sea. After all, the
president, I believe it was last December, said that if the government of Lebanon
were to collapse, there was no point in keeping the Marines there. And with the
current fighting going on, it seems to me the Marines are a target and they're
accomplishing almost nothing of their original mission and, therefore, the time
to do is (sic) cut our losses, get them out, and then reassess the situation and
see what we can do constructively in a atmosphere (sic) in which the Marines are '
no longer the issue.
KOPPEL: Well, you raise an interesting point, namely, the statement that the
president made last December. It seemed to me that by saying if the government
collapses, he was almost saying to the Syrian government, 'Put enough pressure on
the Gemayel government, cause it to collapse, and we'll pullout.' HELMS: Well,
I don't, I'm sure that that isn't what he had in mind.
KOPPEL: Oh, I'm sure it wasn't. HELMS: And I, and I can't believe that the
Syrians took it as meaning that, either. Uh, after all, the situation of the
sectarian fighting and so forth is a factor of Lebanese politics, and it may well
be that when the Lebanese face the stark reality that there're no more
peacekeeping forces there, they may settle down, get some sense of their own, and
start to try to put a government back together again that can run the country.
KOPPEL: Admiral Inman, you remember the lamentable days back during the, the
last few years of our role in Vietnam, when it at times seemed as though our
policy in Vietnam was that we had gotten in there so that we might have the right
to withdraw our troops from Vietnam. This is almost beginning to sound the same
way. I mean, here we've been in there for 17 months now with the Marines so that
we have what, the right to be able to pull them out again? That's not a -
successful policy. What is our policy? ADMIRAL BOBBY INMAN (Former Deputy
Director, CIA): Well, inevitably, you've got a, a no-win situation when you nave
an unstable government. If you look at this situation in perspective, it was the
collapse of the Lebanese army in 1975 that brought about the collapse of the
governments and essentially dividing the country of Lebanon, and particularly the
city of Beirut, into Christian and Moslem enclaves. Uh, we read a lot of
articles after the Israeli invasion that the situation was changed, that now was
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NEW YORK TIMES STATINTL
ON PAGE "1":60 1 February 1981+
Homosexuals Press Fight
,
on Right to Be Agents: . homosexual, Mr. .Green replied that
he had reported his membership in
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WASHINGTON, Jan. 31- Sex and .'. covered to be a bbmasej-Liati-77- '
securitY- The combination has al- ? Then' in a highly unusual step, the.wpriL ---t? --
---....."-,..ted the clearance after. . In the litlashmgton--case; a -CAA. .
ways been volatile, and the history 'Lath:74,1"-st -promised to tell his 1. electronics technician-was clismis' sed
and literature of spying are replete
With tales of betrayal and blackmail fvacionwiledy thabet wheaswoula dinerirs srialccumbant ' .11ftercludedanthaint .t.-thernealcircumsinvestlacestianofTs-
resulting from romantic attach-
? blackmail. The :decision, made by *.mosexualitY" Posed a security
ments.
These days, like almost everything 1 Adm. Bobby - R.. Inman, then the-di- !threat. The man, who filed suit in 1982
1 rector of the Ns.A., rocked the Intel- , ists "John Doe" because C.I.A. regula-
else, the subject has landed in the .tions require that employees not pub-
courts, but the issue being tested ' lillence establishment
bears little relation to the popular The prevaient attitude among Intel- liclY 'disclose their work, asked to be
a tryst with a female foreign agent. Littencheang-nff:dcialslittlethsiennce,air.:dthrt one that,
' rai3:einstiltssal viedolatreiFornialgmuneligtenactyllistarmdis-i-
image of a rakish male spy caught in
To the considerable concern and con- sexuality equals trouble. As evidence, nation procedures.
.?
sternation of intelligence officiaLs, officials cite -the Soviet star 'ring. in Last week Richard L. Gayer, an
the subject of the lawsuits ?is home. Britain led by Elm Philby that re- electrical engineer at the GTE Sylva-
sexuality and security, specifically volved, in part, around homosexual ma Corporation in Mountain View,
the idea that the two are incompat- relationships. In the United States, in- Calif., sued the C.I.A. in Federal
ible. telligence officials said that perhaps court in San Francisco charging that
In Washington, Los Angeles and ?the most serious espionage case at he had failed to receive a security
San Francisco, homosexual men who .the N.S.A. involved two analysts who clearance to work on a classified
worked directly or indirectly for the defected to the Soviet Union in 1960. project. Mr. Gayer, who has been an
Central intelligence.Agencyand lost -,The officials said both were believed activist for homosexual rights, said
1 he had assumed that the C.I.A. was
their security clearances when their 943 be bmtimexual
sexual orientation became known - - "There was a time," one official responsible for the problem.
- ? "They are simply tied to the past,"
have gone to court to challenge long-: said, when we believed the he said in a telephone interview.
standing attitudes' of intelligence If :17.1aer-1.?$?SCd-PY- bolW--X-tal:-- .- was-
forces toward homosexuality. ?All the ' ? wvthreat or blackmail. I as at- "They assume that gays are going to
cases are still pending. 1 titudes about homosexuality have part with secrets at the slightest pm-
. I changed, and their behavior has be- sure and that as a class, we care less
. Clearance Issue Raised J come more open and acceptable, tbe about the welfare and safety of the
Their contention, stated in the Los I blackmail threat has receded. some_ nation. That's simply not true."
Angeles complaint filed by John W. I what. A primary concern now is that Franklin E. Kemeny, a Washington
Green, an electrical engineer at the homosexuals often seek sex in ques- resident who advises homosexuals
TRW Corporation who lost his clear- tionable places and with unknown about security clearance issues,
ance to work on classified intelligence partners, possibly jeopardizing their called the C.I.A. "nutty-and hysteri-
projects, is simple: "There is no ra- own safety and our security.' cal" on the question. Mr. ICameny ,
tional, ? legitimate or demonstrable ,? said: "Here in 1984 they are operating
relationship between homosexuality Reinstatement Plea Rejected 1 on the basis of notions unchanged
and a person's suitability to hold a se- in the case of Mr. Green, for exam- since 1954. Their minds seemed her-
pie, the C.I.A.'sdirector of security, metirally sealed."
curity clearance."
William R. Kotapish, in rejecting an
The C.I.A.'s position is equally Agencies Seen as 'Holdouts
appeal for reinstatement of the se-
. plain: There is often a rational, legiti-
mate and demonstrable relationship. ,,,,.._
curity clearance in 19 _82, wrote Mr. , Mr- KamenY said that we intelli-
"Foreign intelligence services," said G
1
? reen, "You stated that for a six- to ?-gence agencies, along with the mill- J
an agency spokesman, Dale Peter- eight-month period, you had sexual tarY services, were the main holdouts 1
son, "are known to target for cuitiva_ relationships with a different man against homosexuality. "We won in '
ton and exploitation persons known .,......_about..0.1ce a week, usually meeting the Civil Service," he said, "and in
or believed to be practicing adult ,......_.".ma-?` v"`"otis most cases among defense contrae-
partners at Los Angeles
homosexual -behavior. There have t'.6" -,,,s" , i.,.. ....., ,.,..,, ...,,,, ,,__, tors involving sensitive weapons
been a significant number of espio- I "a' "?""11:''''" "w" LA?CU ???Wo al"- projects, gays can keep their security
nage cases in which homosexual con_ dents of sexual activity with other clearances unless there are aggravat-
duct has been a factor." ? males, one involving a foreign na- lug circumstances. The policies of the
Mr. Peterson added that the C.I.A. tion," that "took place while you
. intelligence agencies are set by intel-
? had no blanket prohibition against ? were on a business trip to a sensitive ?lectual Neanderthals. Their attitude '
hiring homosexuals or giving is that homosexual sexis the locus for
, ing them facilitY abroad."
security clearances. "Each case is ? - Mr. Green's response, as presented ' the divulgence of secret information.
reviewed on its merits," be said, de_ . by his attorneys in court documents, What about heterosexual sex?"
' dining to say whether the agency had was that he had worked without inci. Mr. Gayer, refining the point, said,
ever retained an employee known to dent for nearly 10 years on classified "The highest-risk -class when it
? be homosmouit__ - , contracts at TRW, that he never comes to security are parents.". _ _
The court cases- have crystallized misled the company or the C.I.A. ? ? Intelligence of-beige-are-awaiting
an issue that has long troubled intelli- about his sexual orientation, and that the court decisions to see whether
gence forces. In 1980; the National Se- he is not embarrassed or ashamed they will have to adopt a more lenient
curity, Agency, which monitors world- about his homosexuality." To the attitude toward homosexuals. One of-
' wide communications and handles charge that he failed to inform either hcial said: "This is one field where
code-breaking for the Government, TRW or the C.I.A. that he was a , the sexual revolution-hasn't arrived.
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