TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-25

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• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00788R000500250001-0
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• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: April 6, 2000
• Sequence Number: 1
• Publication Date: December 3, 1980
• Content Type: REPORT

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GRILL FLAME
PROGRAM
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SG1A
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-25
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information concerning the activities of
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any inter-
mediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the
information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (5/NOFORN.) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RU) SESSION DC-25
TIME
#66: This will be a remote viewing session for 1100 hours,
3 December 1980.
solely and completely on hose picture I
R concentrate and focus on
Move now back through time to
Move now back
searching for
SG1I
. SG1,
SG1A
SG1I
#07: I saw him seated two or three times with...I can't tell if
I'm seeing him from different angles or...different times...
Looked over his shoulder and I saw... some kind of note pad
or-note pad or...book of some kind. He had been writing...
Concern...concern.....key. Concerned about a brass key......
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focus. Move back through time to A
Once again to o e irl evening
hours. Once again search out and find
Move back through time once a ain to the early even-
ing hours in SG1A
and look for even more that's happening. You're doing very
well. This time as you go back search, search for a great
deal of detail. I will wait while you obtain this information.
#07: (Mumling)...(mumbling)...someone...someone over there,
clean-shaven, watching me...suspicious.... I keep seeing...
some kind of barrier, fence or something... Something about
a tube....looked like it had a coil in it... I saw forks
and plates... somebody's eating...
#66: Think only of think only of Expand the %21A
time window plus or minus five minutes, plus or minus five
Plus or minus five minutes from S G1A
SG1A
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#07: Oh, I was lookin' at 1830, I...
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specitic activity. What is
doing?
#07: I see a street scene..... Yeah, a streetcar, ah, getting
in or out of a vehicle...see a balcony some, nearby that's
important.... within just a few....less than 100 feet.........
I can't even be sure that's him. I....just saw a figure.
I.....
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SG1A
#66: Okay. Let's try to focus once again. Let's try to focus once
again... Before you were telling me about - being S G1/
seated and writing, and he was concerned about a key. Hold S G1~
image in your mind. Hold the image o otograph
have s own you in your mind, thinking only of. The S G
only picture in your mind is Now take that picture iWi) A
in your mind and move back through time to in
Now, as
you hold the picture in your mind of back in time.....
ask to show you his activity. Ask to show S(
you his activity, show you what he is doing.
#07: It's a funny thing, thing Iccan see is his body.... But,
I can't seem, like I can see his head, I'm too.close to his
head. I can't...I can see his hands. Some kind of surface
in front of him, and...there's a piece of somethin'...
(mumble)...to his right.
#66: Tell me about it.
#07: About the size of...small typewriter.... I...I don't know
whether he types or...communicates... There's a little
black package a little bit bigger than a...a wallet.....
It's got something held on to i t with a, by a rubber band.
It's black and a little bigger than a wallet... It's thick.
Couple little tube like things.-the size of my finger ...held
in contact with it...looks like rubber bands.
#66: Tell - what you see, and ask him to show you more
clearly what he does with these things.
SG1A
#07: I don't know. Maybe I slipped in time, but, I, I see him
with a...ah, earphones, earphones, ah...he's concentrating
on notes...fiddling... I swear, I think he's got a key-
board on the right. It looks like...I see a keyboard and
then I don't. When I don't, I see some knobs............
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#66: Tell me about his fiddling. Tell me about his fiddlin c.
Ask him to tell you about his fiddling.
#07: I can't understand it... Oh, it's just... correlating...
calculatin c manipulating.. .numbers, ideas, somethin'.....
Funny, I thought he was left-handed but his thin g is over
here....on the right. I was begging him to tell me about this.
I kept seeing different kinds of imagery. I saw a h-h-h-hard
wire leaving the vicinity...... as though..... information was going
out of here on a hard wire. I thought that was just stray....
I back off, and I...look again and I saw small lasers. Begin
to believe I'm just trying too hard. But this, the concept---
#66: It's not necessary for you to draw conclusions about what you
experience. Simply report your experience.
#07: I'm seeing so much imagery I gotta get rid of some of it.
When I look close at him the imagery comes awfully fast....
I can't tell if the black package is...somewhere within
reaching distance to his left, either in the drawer or on
top of this surface. I saw, at one point, something that
looked like, almost like stick figures of men running, walking,
different stances. That occurred when I was trying to see
what he was doing....He's fatter than his pictures.
#66: Okay. Where does this concept---what is it you're experiencing
that makes you say correlating, calculating numbers, ideas,
something?
#07: He had...in his possession... certain kinds of data that
required manipulation of some type, massaging......
#66: And, how does he do. this manipulation?
#07: Right there on his right..... I think it has somethin' to do
with this....little thin g on his right. I get the feeling
that he's not conspicuous, it's...I wanted to say it was a
typewriter, but...I also see some ...buttons or knobs, some-
thing like that ...and the paper...see paper... appears to
have been folded once or twice.
#66: What paper is this?
#07: It's on the table there....three or four sheets... But,
there's a note pad.....
#66: Okay... A moment ago I asked you what is it that you are
experiencing that makes you say correlating, calculating
numbers, ideas or something.
#07: He's got stuff in front of him...instead of just using i the
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#07: seems to be concentrating very hard...as compared to just
reading something, doing something that is...requires no
great mental effort.
#66: Okay. I understand completely. Now, if we were to, at this
point, write an operators manual on how he can do the task
that he has to do as he sits. there, and we were gonna go by
a step-by-step procedures manual, what would be step one?
What would be step one? What would be step two? What would
be step three?
#07: Let me see if I can ask him.
#66: I will wait.
#07: He sidestepped me. He's saying that...it takes a lot of
experience, you gotta have a lot of experience... memory,
memory... I get the feeling that...a lot of conversions are
done in his head...
#66: And where do these conversions take place?
#07: He's doin' 'em now .............
#66: It's time for me to turn the tape over.... Relax a moment
while I turn the tape over. Relax now a moment while I turn
the tape over.
All right, you may continue.
+46 #07: Aha.....(sighing).......what is....(sighing) .....appears to
be....... appears to be some kind of a...... brr----code, ah,
codes.....
#66: What is it you are experiencing that makes you say this?
#07: Well, he's saying.....you take this and make it mean something
else or appear to mean something else.............
#07: I'm seeing that rubber tube again. I thought it had be---
tube had....many layers from all what I thought tube was used
for packing information....data, storage, data, data.........
information, ah........... storage.
#66: You're doing very well. Sometimes your descriptions as they
come through from _ are hard for me to recognize. Although S G1i
I'm sure they're accurate. Therefore, let us, let us put them
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#66: in our operations manual that we are building, in our
manual of step-by-step procedures so that I might be able
to understand. he has information that is concealed
by code. How is to discover this true meaning? SG1A
#07: Well, if he would say.... ah, ah, a little shoulder shaped
thing that............. he's got depth to like in the
direction towards the coor (phonetic), and has all kinds of
information in it.... I don't know.... I, I just see....
It's the way he's reading it. All that could be some kind
of a computer storage thing or ..... multi-layer drum.......
roll of film, ah...........
#66: You may draw it for me later.
#07: But, the image I'm seeing of is tubular shape, layer on top
of layer with stat- stated information. When I was asking
about conversion, he disappeared, and I saw this thing, and
so, how I knew it.....storage or logic or something.
#66: All right.
#07: That was the answer he gave me. I didn't understand it.
#66: All right.
#07: I searched for a minute, and I could see it could mean
two or three things.
#66: Okay. Ask him what he does. What physically does he do with
this little cylinder?
#07: I'm not sure that he does anything. I just saw it when I
asked him the question. I...........
#66: All right. Tell him what you have seen, and ask him what
step two is, in him discovering the true meaning behind
this coded information.
+53 #07: I must be askin' the wrong questions.....(sigh).....
He's just confusing me with a lot of logical gibberish.
#66: What is it that you are experiencing?
#07: Well, I guess there's a lot of detail, technical crap.......
that look like wires at first. Except, it's like, all I can
(mumble) sort of a chip or something.
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#07: I see a portion of it (garbled) ......calculator about the
size of (not audible, about 30 seconds.) ...............
3/4 inch thick or less ..................
#66: Where is this calculator in relationship to
#07: (Garbled) talking.... comfortable with someone else, but,
(not audible) little..... calculator or something .... ah...
looks like a storage shop or something.
#66: Okay. I understand (not audible) on the
(not audible) to ask - does he nee use is
calculator at this time (not audible) for what he is doing,
Does he need the calculator?
#07: (Garbled) .............My concentration is straight ahead
with (not audible) concentration is just a....(not audible)
Looks like it's got (not audible)..... looks like......
(not audible).
#66: Okay.
#07: (Not audible) .......... electronic .............
#66: Let's prepare to draw. (Not audible)
SG1A
SG1A
SG1A
SG1A
ADMIN NOTE:There was technical difficulty on the second half of the tape.
The remote viewer relates that does not have the calculator with SG1A
him at The viewer explains that he does not need SG1A
it at this time, but would like to have it. The remote viewer also relates
an experience in which he found the calculator in question at another
location; perhaps a store or shop in another part of the city.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-25
1. (S/NOFORN) Prior to the session the remote viewer the attached
picture and told that the individual was identified as The
viewer was told that he would be focusing on events of past time during the
session and that intense concentration on discipline would be required.
2. (S/NOF Durin the session the viewer was told to focuands
window of r
activity of The viewer was asked to e a ora e on those
perceptions he reported which seemed relevant to the interviewer.
3. (S/NOFORN) This remote viewer has worked this target before and as such
was familiar with the general situation prior to the session. The viewer
did not, however, know what to expect in the specific time window provided.
The interviewer had been briefed on what might be expected during the time
window and attempted to elicit information relevant to use of a
computer or calculator.
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