SUMMARY REMOTE VIEWING SESSION C5
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ORCON/NOFORN
INSCOM
GRILL FLAME
PROJECT
CLASSIFIED BY: Director, DIA
REVIEW ON: 31 Jul 99
EXTENDED BY: Director, DIA
REASON: 2-301-C (3) (6)
X. GRILL FLAME
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION C 5
1. (S) This report provides documentation of a remote viewing
session conducted for training purposes to enhance a remote
viewer's demonstrated ability.
2. (S) The viewer's impressions do not seem to show any
target correlation in this session. This was the viewer's
first attempt at the geographic coordinate target designation
technique. The viewer was able to relax and concentrate on
the task at hand. He was undisturbed by ambient room noise
which was minimal. An explanation as to why he was unable to
"locate" the designated target is not readily apparent.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in
the document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote
Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions
during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made
by the viewer reference his impressions of the target site.
TAB B is the available target data.
5. (S) This session was conducted simultaneously with Session
C4 which had the same target.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION C 5
#28: This will be a remote viewing session (edited
for security).
Its now time to let go of all other thoughts;
to let the images in your mind go completely blank.
See nothing but a blank screen; to be perfectly
in control; to relax; to concentrate; and to
focus on the target. The target for today is an
area of interest on the Planet Earth that will be
designated to you, to your great consciousness by
the geographic coordinate system. Simply listen
to the coordinates as I read them to you. Let
them guide your greater consciousness to the area
of interest and then bring your senses to focus
on that area and describe it to me. Open your
mind and listen as I read you the coordinates.
38 degrees, 37 minutes, 20 seconds, North
90 degrees, 12 minutes, No seconds, West
Again, now, let your greater consciousness come
to bear on the geographical area designated by
the following grid coordinates. The geographic
coordinates are:
38 degrees, 37 minutes, 20 seconds, North
90 degrees, 12 minutes, No seconds, West
Simply let yourself go. Focus and see clearly
this area. As you look at this area, looking
down upon this area. Focus. Lower, lower and
lower and describe the area to me.
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+05 #31: Black triangle. Made on (not audible).
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No, its a twisted triangle. Its like the triangle
has shade on one side and the . . and its . . one
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end is just twisted, curving from . . . the
peak and then bending West as it goes down.
And then it curves back to the right slightly.
I feel I'm over . . terrain of some kind. From
peak of the triangle, . . . away from the twisty
curvey edge of it, along a line, tapers off into
the distance. To the right. Sloping off. To
the far right.
#28: Describe your position relative to this triangle.
#31: I'm above in distance. I'm at a higher (not
audible). But still a (not audible) but high.
And I feel like I'm looking through water. Now.
But no, its just blurry. Its all a brunt. A
reddish brown it feels like.
Looks all dry and dirty. I feel that its high
. . Its a high place, but. . its jagged and craggy.
Now I have a dot with three lines off of it
radiating. Or at least three lines radiating
from a center point. The two bottom lines are
short. But the top right line which is a little
off center, seems to be longer. It is . . two
and one-half to three times longer than the other
two lines on the bottom.
+10 I'm going to try from another side. I'm going
to try a low oblique.
I feel that . . I feel that inbetween along the
line and the one beneath it is that is the side
of a high place. Its very steep on that side.
Its as if looking out of a low oblique at that
same place I think. Its nearly concealed by
something in the foreground. But it looks very
gray. And very dark in that side.
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From the long line counterclockwise. . it seems
not so steep. And its . . but its . . more
gentle. I have terrain but I haven't seen any-
thing else. I guess I'm relatively sure of the
image now where I was saying it was steep, it
seems like its cut out almost. Very steep side
but. . now I'm at the upper right long line
looking down at . . from that angle it looks
like back in near where the circle is, is very
steep and then the long line still on the left
side now, on the clockwise side, is . . it
gentles out slope a little bit and becomes like
a ridge. But now on my right side, looking at
it from that angle, its more gentle and slopes
away more gently. And then the left side of it
is a little steeper. But as it seems like it
cuts back in and gets higher, it gets very steep
like its carved out.
#28: Is this terrain feature you are telling me about
the triangle thatyou saw originally?
#31: Yes. I'm working around the triangle.
#28: Okay.
#31: I'm working around to the other side of my first
triangle. The triangle I think was the dark part.
This steep part was my first image. Attracted to
this darkness and steepness. But now I'm fleshing
it out. It turns out that triangle is merely one
cliff in the overall feature. And I am working
counterclockwise around it. I have static here
but I think that what is now at 11 o'clock on the
more general side of this feature, I'd want to say
there's some sort of water there. Contained water
area. At about 11 o'clock. It seems that there's
. . but still, I don't get the feeling of a lot
of trees or anything like that. I get the bareness.
+15 38, 37, 20; want to give them to me again, 38, 37,
20.
#28: 38 degrees
#31: Yes
#28: 37 minutes
#31: Right
#28: 20 seconds, North
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#31: Right
#28: 90 degrees
#31: Right
#28: 12 minutes
#31: Zero
#28: And zero seconds, West.
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#31: Now, I got a high vertical or I got a dark vertical
line. I think again, I'm looking at the side of a
ridge. Looking up the line.
(Not audible - mumbling) Still . . I still feel
like I'm not at 11 o'clock quadrant that there's
a small lake. Or small water. Its like its
stuck inbetween the 1 o'clock line and the 7 o'clock
line.
There's dark outbound. On the other side of the
lake I see darkness. Horizontal darkness, but
which would be radiating from center out to the
lake and at 11 and then on the outbound side of
that lake then there's darkness and I want to say
that the edge of the darkness is curved. Commen-
surate with the lake or with this thing of water.
#28: Tell me more about the general terrain.
#31: Its . . I want to say that this is something
that is baren and that is just sticking out.
Unusual land form. . . around it. There is a more
rolling, more general smoother land formswith some
foilage on them. Now, I want to say that when I
was at. . when I was at three. . when I was at the
line at one o'clock, I was traversing there when
I was at three o'clock the view of the dark
triangle at five o'clock was obscured by something
in the way which I perceived to be gently rolling
and as I swung around counterclockwise, then the
black triangle, this cliff in the side of this
thing became more and more visible as I was swing-
ing around counterclockwise. I would say that at
least. . and somewhere five to three o'clock
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outbound from the center that there must be
a more rolling feature out there which is . .
I had the impression that that had stuff on it.
But that wasn't the same type of thing that I
was looking at at the distance. I had the feel-
ing it was more soft and fluffy like it had trees
or foilage or bushes and it was a rounder type
thing.
#28: Okay now. focusing back onto your target now,
focusing back onto your target, describe the
nature of the soil at the target.
#31: Burnt red, yellows, I get dry. The dark side is
I can say right off hand the dark side is a slate
or granite rock face, cleft, but on the Northwest
and the Southwest shoulder or whatever they're
called that the soil is more. . okay, I say small
. . I see shelves, shingles. I see. . . how do
I describe it? Flake, like massive flakes with
pebbles and dirt and rocks in around them but
essentially overlapping. . . . plates. I've got
a feeling of dry cakiness. A heavy, heavy. . I
get the feeling of . . lot of erosion marks, non-
porious clay and rock, gulleys. . gulleys off of
these ridges. Lot of erosion.
Off these shoulders off these ridges or shoulders.
All right. Looking . . Okay, here's something
that just came to me. Looking at what is . . If
I was over top of what I think is the lake area at
one o'clock looking to seven o'clock, I'm sorry
eleven o'clock, looking to seven o'clock the seven
o'clock is . . I want to say that line comes down,
the horizon comes down but its got something on
the end of it like another outcropping. Like I'm
going down a mountain ridge but then there's a
hill on the end of it. Or another hill on the end
of it. You know, the line goes down and then its
got a bump on it. And that's as though I was just
looking down that side there.
#28: This terrain feature that you have focused on, this
point here that you focused on, describe the altitude.
#31: Me or it?
#28: You and your relative position and the top of it.
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#31: Humph!
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Oh, you're asking me to put a number on something.
#28: Okay.
#31: I am. . It is the highest around.
#28: All right.
#31: It is the highest around because I'm on it and
I don't see anything else around me that's not
below me. We're on the highest around but it is
not extremely high. Its not . . .
+25 #28: Describe the air temperature.
#31: I'd say warm but breezy. I'd say comfortable.
Not stifling. Not wet. I get a feeling of dust.
I get the feeling that everything is still below
me. When you first asked me I said twelve. . I
said to myself 12/5.
#28: Meaning 12,500 feet.
#28: Place yourself. . in this area again and describe
the compass cardinal direction from this object
to the body of water. Where is the body of water
in association with this object?
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#31: Compass degrees?
#28: Whichever you feel comfortable with. Which cardinal
direction is it?
#31: I want to say that the body of water is a little
North, Northwest. That's where I had it before.
That's where I automatically drew my clock. It is
at 11 o'clock. That's the way I've been referring
to it.
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I'll go with the 12 o'clock as North.
#28: And how far away is this water?
#31: It is right up . . it is nestled in the gently,
gentle sloping side of this. It is not off in
the distance. It is like down the slope and
slightly out on a plain. It is from . . its a
half mile from the bottom. . . half mile from
the bottom-most edge. Its . . from peak out to
actually over top of it I'd say its like 312 miles.
3 miles 3/ miles. If I was to draw a straight
line out from the peak and then drop it down into
this water.
#28: Okay. In looking over the top of the water,
looking down at it, describe its shape, shape
of the body of water and describe the size.
#31: I want to say that from the peak looking at it
it looks like a cone. With the point. . Generally,
its shaped like a smooth cone and the point of it
is pointing at about North. And its pointing
right along that same 12 o'clock axis. The big
base of it is up here closer to the . . closer to
the high thing. And its size is . . its not real
big, its . . Ah, I'd say ? mile by long by a quarter
of a mile wide or womething like that at the base.
z mile long; 4 mile wide and then tapering down as
it goes away.
#28: Okay. Now, describe to me the feeling or emotion
+30 about this place. Are you happy at this place?
Are you sad at this place? How does this place
feel to you?
#31: The water or mountain? Or the area? I don't
follow what you mean, #28.
#28: Okay. Do you think that this place is a nice place
to be? Someplace you would go and visit; someplace
other people go and visit? Do you think its a place
people stay away from?
#28: What's the atmosphere of this place, the general
feeling about the place? Do you have any feelings
about this place?
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#31: Well no, not really. I hesitate to draw any-
thing. I've been looking at this place from
four miles high and everything. I haven't yet
been able to touch down on this thing. Except
one fleeting moment imagining I was on the peak
of this and that was it. So-called peak. It
wasn't a peak it was flattened. But not extra-
ordinarily large either. Certainly not a landing
pad or anything.
#28:
Then, when you stand on top of this, you say this
is the highest point around. Can you see anything
else looking out?
#31:
Haze. Rolling. That one feature that was about
at two, three o'clock is there. I get the feeling
that there is something now, to my back
which is
12 o'clock but I get the feeling that there is
darn near very little that anywhere else direction
on the compass as far as similar highness.
#28
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#31:
It seems that it just drops off. If I look South.
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#31:
It seems like it drops off rapidly.
#28:
Okay.
#31:
I mean I'm talking horizon.
#28:
Yes.
#31:
The horizon seems almost flat. But if I
around to my left which is almost three
swing
o'clock
#31:
Then it looks like that bump there that
I told
you about before. The rounded knoll which is
not
as high. As I looked down at 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock,
I have my saddle going out about the one o'clock
direction, but there's a gap between it and this
mountain at three.
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But looking to 12 o'clock, its like there are
. . there is rollingness, there is a bumpy horizon
and there's bumps inbetween me and that horizon.
Where as that's not the way it is at 6 o'clock.
At 6 o'clock it just sort of becomes flat.
#28: And what about the West at nine o'clock?
#31: To the West I see . . I see . . looking at 9 o'clock
I can't . . . To the West I'd say that there are
two within my view that are bumps between myself
and the horizon. But its like I'm on the Southern
edge of a range or a line or . . the Southern end
of it and these things protrude down only way on
the other side of the lake. They come down, they're
out there on the other side of the lake, they come
down to maybe 10 o'clock. I can see two of them.
But that's. . they don't go any farther South.
#28: Okay. I want you to do one thing for me here.
I want you to put yourself. . .
#31: There's water on . . .
#28: Say?
#31: There's water on from three to one. It seems like
that just . . When I look at, now on the top, look-
ing at three o'clock down, its very steep. There's
water down there. On the other side of the water is
this more gentle hill formality. With stuff on it.
And that water curves around right. . I'd say that
curves around right with the one o'clock, on the
outside of the one o'clock saddle or one o'clock
spur rather than disappears off in the one o'clock
direction. But its water with white in it. I want
to say its got white in it. But it looks like its
rapids like. Steep gorged rapids. Narrow and fast.
Okay, what was the thing you needed?
+35 #28: Okay now before you draw I want you to do one more
thing for me. It may clarify this area. I want
you to stand at thepeak of the mountain and I want
you to look in the Easterly direction and I want you
to float out at the same altitude that you are but
more out five miles East. Move out fives miles East.
. . and look down and describe what's there.
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#31: Humph!
I'd say . . . it looks like there's a cluster
of glimmering white inbetween dark.
#28: Come down from your altitude then, down closer.
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#31: I'm settling down.
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I want to say a little town or something that's
spread linearly. . . longer than it is wide.
In a notch between two trees or two hilles of
some sort in the valley spread long in that valley.
Curving. Left. It looks like that anyway.
+38 #28: All right now while you're there, while you're
there, turn around and look back at the target
area.
#31: Right.
#28: And describe what you see.
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#31: I see the upper part of a mountain peak obscured
by this rounded thing still inbetween me and where
I am. But the upper part of it is bright, bright -
its reflective; its light but the thing in the
foreground that's rounded is dark.
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That's about it.
#28: And what is this rounded thing that obscures you?
#31: That's the hill that runs at three o'clock. So
you had me run East. You ran me over three o'clock
which is the hill.
#28: All right. So, you're . . .
#31: So I'm still getting the top part of this mountain.
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#28: All right. Let me see if I understand you
correctly. There is some small, smaller hill in
your view before you look back to what you perceived
as the target?
#31: Right.
#28: Okay and this thing in the distance that's the
target now move toward the hilltop that seemed
to be in your way, move along to the hilltop that
seemed to be in your way and from that point look
at what you thought was the target and describe it
to me.
#31: Okay, from that view, it looks like well its damn
near a 90 degree triangle. Stood on its hypotenuse
bent in the middle of it away from me. The long
side of the triangle comes up the peak. And then
the short leg of the triangle curves down and then
away and its steeper than the long side. That
side curves away from me which is into the mountain
and then it curves up like that and then out and I
think that's where the water is, the white water.
I don't seem to get a tree line or anything like
that on this sucker. In fact when I was over
describing a gentle slope, over on the lake side,
I wanted to say sparse vegetation. Like scraggly
shit, like mesky here, prickly pear cactus there,
but very sparse. But looking at this side I don't
get a tree line and the reason I don't get a tree
line is 'cause its the steep side. You got me
looking at the East side which is the steep cliff
side. Which is that grayness that I first started
talking about. That steeply sloping granite or
shale which just very precipitous almost. The other
two sides seem to slope out a little bit differently
and therefore might be able to support some sort of
. . . But that's the thing that kills me about it is
that everything around it seems to have bushes on
it. Unless I'm just all screwed up. You know, all
the other stuff. The other hills, the hill at three
o'clock seems to have trees on it. But it is lower.
There seem to be trees on the other side of the lake.
Maybe this thing is just a tree line and that's why
I'm not getting any trees on it.
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I don't know how to word this; if it sounds weird
stay with it 'cause its probably right.
#28: Okay, is there anything else you want to look at
before you try to draw?
What is the thing that impresses you most about
this target?
#31: Its barenness. Relative barenness. Gee, I'd like
to put some sort of a tower on it, but I just don't,
you know, radio or microwave tower - anything that
would make it stick out but that's the uncharacter-
istic barenness of this mountain, I guess, is strik-
ing me as peculiar.
#28: And what is it that makes it baren?
#31: I think what makes it baren is what its made of.
It doesn't have very good soil. One side of it
is too steep to have trees. Its wind swept. On
another side. There's water around it, but I just
get the impression that is just too. . that what.
its just dry. Its just too damn dry. I'd like to
put a snow cap on it too, but I'm not going to. I
think I'm starting to play around too much. Maybe
I ought to draw.
#28: Okay, why don't you go ahead and sit up and draw.
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#31: If I had to draw this thing I'd draw it this shape.
From a vertical.
#28: Looking down on the top?
#31: Looking down on the top of it.
This is the one that has the bump on it though,
yeah, that's the one that has the bump on it. It
has like a bump on it there okay. And then out
here away from this thing is where this . . that's
water. And then, on this side, was just a gentle
hill.
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#28: Where is the high peak in there?
#31: Right there.
#28: In the center where you put the "X"?
#31: Right. And this is water.
#28: Okay.
#31: This is very steep in here, right. In and under
that "X" that's very steep. Contour lines here.
And then these contour lines begin to get . . they
begin to go out a little bit. Now this side you
can see is much less steep. The contour lines
would be, you know, much farther apart. Here is
about inbetween them both, contour interval. Still
steep but not. Now over here you can see this is
just a nice little knoll. Okay.
#28: Now when I asked you to look to and move to the
East . . .
#31: Okay, this way, directly right across the sketch.
#28: Okay.
#31: Okay and I wanted . . there are . . these you know,
these contour, these would be interlocking, you
know.
#31: Okay. And then. . How do I want to put this one?
Okay. If that's the five miles there, okay, then
we end up with another. . In here is this valley
I was telling you about. And I got the impression
that. . see if forks, turns to the left. Its not
that long. Its up in what would be a valley and
this is a town. Surprisingly, I'll write it down
here. . Surprisingly enough when you asked me what
it was down here. . .
#31: My mind might be playing a little trick on me.
Ha ha ha. But that's what. . small hill believe
it or not.
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#31: I don't know. I don't know why.
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But that's the word that . . .
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Okay, everything East of the mountain has got. .
this vegetation, okay. And town. And vegetation.
Its dark. Okay. And up here darkness like
vegetation.
Ummm! The rapids. . the . . Okay. That's
where I was talking about this rapid, with white.
Is in there. That curves right in and under the
bottom of that what would be the cliff face, the
darkness. The dark triangle is in here see. And
then it goes off to the what's Northeast.
#28: Okay. Draw me a picture of what you first saw
your first image about this up here when you talked
about this dark triangle. You said you saw that
from an oblique or something.
#31: I saw that from a high oblique from the South.
Okay. And here is what I had. I had . . I said
the line came down in the foreground. Okay. This
is foreground. That's this peak line here and it
went off longer in that direction and then over
here was another line. Okay. And the basic dark
triangle was this side here. Which is the East side.
Then I got this shape. Okay. Which was a vertical.
And this is a vertical. And that's when I realized
that this was still dark in there. Okay.
And . . okay, the other thing I said was some sort
of a . . It just doesn't want to cooperate with me
today does it? Okay, that's a dark line there. I
said there was dark, looked like there was dark
around on the other side of what I thought was the
water. Okay. I'll put that in there. Okay, that
was with me to begin with.
Do you want me to give you the four cardinal
directions? Horizon or whatever?
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#28: Okay, standing on the peak?
#31: Yeah. Oh, okay.
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This is just that, that type of a terrain. Its
dark. And the image is that from the foreground
disappearing into the distance here is this
is this spur, okay. Ridge line, whatever.
And then this gets much steeper here. . as it
comes in. That's actually. . That's not true
because that's farther away you see. Its farther
down. Northeast. . is . . just like a Sugar
Loaf Mountain. That was the one that kept getting
in my way. Okay. And it was tree covered. Okay.
#31: So, it was just a flat horizon. Dull tan. Browns.
Haze. Okay.
#28: Okay.
#31: West is the . . West is the funny one because
you end up with this . . two ridges but down here
you hve this, okay.
And then, I said these mountains came down to
about 10 o'clock. It was like there was round
shapes. There were two particular round shapes
on the horizon. That was like the last Southern
intrusion of whatever it is okay. But they weren't
particularly noteworthy. No particular features
on them.
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And West was the way. Okay.
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Okay and then the horizon.
#28: What do you feel? What do you sense when you
think about activity at this location?
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#31: You know, I could throw anything in there but
I was really detached from it. I don't have any
feeling of recreation. Don't have any feeling
for hunting. Just overpowering barenness. Like
nobody ever goes there - on top of the mountain.
You know.
#28: And why don't they go there?
#31: Just 'cause there's nothing there.
You know. I don 't know. Maybe they can't get
there. Maybe there's nobody around that wants
to get there. You know, that would bother to get
there.
#28: I'd like you to kind of review for a minute now and
#31: I've got one last
#28: Another drawing?
#31: Yeah. I want to show you this thing from the
okay, into the foreground looking South.
#31: From Northwest corner. Lake. Okay. This should
be more gentle I guess. Okay. Here's a ridge.
Okay.
And here, in the very foreground is the tree line
and this . . Well, it looks square in this sketch
because of the perspective cause of course the upper
end of it appears bigger than the back of it and it
ends out being just about square. But really its
almost, its triangular shaped, but I'm looking at
it from this way. And sketch West, I'm looking at
it from the Northeast. Northwest okay. Looking
over it back into this direction here. Okay. Its
that angle right across there. I'll draw a little
line on my first, on my composite. And that is . .
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#31: I'll tell you something, Geo's are definitely
different.
#28: Okay. I'd like you to go and . .
#31: You don't know where you are. Ha ha ha.
#28: That's the idea.
#31: I don't know where I am. Was.
#28: Ummm. I'd like to kind of in short phrases or one
word descriptions, just in broad brush concept give
me your overall. . if I was to ask you what is your
target, what would be your one word phrases or des-
criptions of what is your target?
#31: I'll tell you its a piece of key terrain on the
Southern end of a mountain range. Or a mountain
cluster of some sort that overlooks a valley to
the South and dominates all terrain to the North.
Okay. It has water. It has rocky sides. With
only one or two feasible avenues of approach.
Okay.
#28: Okay.
#31: And once you've got that terrain, I had the feeling
that it is a dominant piece of terrain but not . .
Its not like it sticks four miles up above every-
thing else, its like its maybe a couple of thousand
feet above everything else. But once you're up
there, you know, you can see all over. The feeling
I had was like some of the just general atmosphere
was like some of the places in the San Pedro Valley
in Arizona. You know, that type of a thing. You
know, where you have . . you just. . you may have
one mountain that's surrounded by other mountains
and they're not particularly interesting except that
one may be bigger than the other.
#28: Okay.
#31: Slightly bigger than the other.
#28: Okay, is there anything that you want to add? I
like that general description you gave. That was
an interesting description.
#28: Well, to add, the only thing I could see, unless
unless, unless things I did not see are associated
with that terrain. Like the odd shape of that lake
could mean that there was a resevoir or dam feature.
But I didn't see a damn; I didn't see anything but
its just , you know, that type thing.
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#28: Okay.
#31: All I can say right now is that its a piece of
key terrain.
#28: Okay. Is there anything you want to add then?
#31: No.
#28: Okay.
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The coordinates designating this target, 38 degrees, 37
minutes, 20 seconds, North - 90 degrees, 20 minutes, 00
seconds, West, indicate the Gateway Arch, a 630 foot tall
monument known as the Gateway to the West. The Gateway
Arch is located in St. Louis, Missouri and is adjacent to
the Mississippi River.
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