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Approved For Release 2000/0 LAJ E18R001 600390001-3 IAGPA-F-SD 29 July 1983 SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1029/8307/01 (U) 1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 260900 July 1983, source #01 was interviewed concerning three areas designated to him as areas "F", "G", and "H" within a group of unidentified buildings. The project 8307 sponsor had provided geographic coordinates of the buildings, a photograph of the buildings, and a map showing their relative location (see Incl 1). 2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was shown the photograph provided by sponsor. Other information provided by the sponsor was not shown to the source as the collection plan called for its use as "feedback" and cuing material for possible subsequent interviews. 3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a narritive explanation of Source's drawing (see Incl 2). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor. Attached to the report as EXHIBIT I was a copy of Source's drawing. This report related the salient points of the interview. (see Incl 3). 4L> 3 Inc1 FREDERICK H. ATWATER as CPT, MI OPS/TNG Officer CLASSIFIED BY: CDR, INSCOM DECL: OADR Approved For Release 2000/0 ~p0, 88ROO1600390001-3 eeeeee..........~~~...... VV (,~ KQT R.-`T,XP 3 AB1,F TO SG1C Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600390001-3 Next 1 Page(s) In Document Exempt Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600390001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/02F'?r'^Rnw;~ 788R001600390001-3 #66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 26 July 1983. Focus your attention now, focus on the areas "F", "G", and "H" indicated in the photograph I've shown you and describe these areas to me. #01: See a...a workshop.. .a X-ray,...photographing through things..... wall with.... beakers, test tubes, sinks....It's in the "F" building. ........Bottles of chemicals.... The top tables,.. stone, stone tables. ...... #66: Work from the ~ pper floors down in area "F". #01: ...Many small, rooms,...two to three people, ...writing papers, working on papers. Many book shelves i these rooms. ....See a...resident type apartment ,..lower floors...go into the "G" area.......... .Very like a....research something. #66: Review your perception of area "F" from the top down. Summarize. #01: was backwards, had a ..residence type areas, top, ..two layers, rooms ..... Next layer is a...chemicals, chemical lab, place with X-ray, sinks, beakers,...stone, stone ...desks, stone tables. ...In the next layer, part of "G" , ..ah, ice ..areas, three people, two people, paper, bookshelves, stacks of materials, desks, chairs,... many, many of these. #66: And next floor down in area? #01: That's all I get. #66: Okay. Now in these office areas, describe personnel activity and equipment. #01: .....Reading and writing... analysis type work; papers, folders, books. #66: Break out word analysis. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 - gO788R001600390001-3 vcI 2.. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA- - 0390001-3 #01: It's analysis, research papers, books, ...folders, data bits, information,'s all incomplete. #66: Okay. Activity is described, describe personnel. #01: .......Military, civilian mix. Seems to be more military,...all uniforms... predominately women. #66: Women military, women civilian? #01: Both, women are predominantly civilian, men is predominantly military. #66: All right. Now, equipment-- #01: --Folders. #66: Equipment office area of "F". #01: Just folders, papers, books, desks, file cabinets, bookshelves. ...........Strong feeling of some kind of analysis... mixed with administrative work. #66: All right. Now, you said before that this was connected in some way with area "G"? #01: Yes . #66: All right, let's move now to area "G" and scan from the top down area "G". #01: .................Top floors.... rooms... wait a minute.....The upper two, three floors are all alike, not small rooms, not large rooms, moderate size, all full of people, five to eight people to a room,...long desks, not desks, long tables, like desks. .....Stacks of papers everywhere,..large stacks, all copies things, things written, said . #66: I'll give you a few minutes now to focus intently on these areas and describe the activity that takes place here. #01: .......................(mumble) identifications ....and ...information, people oriented information. Filing..index files, people and groups of people. #66: Okay. (mumble) raw data, break out the physical activity taking place. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : d1A-RbP96='0b788R001600390001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788R001600390001-3 #01: .......Marking ...individual papers with blocks, writing notes, transcribing notes, files... filing papers. #66: Okay. If I understood you right, the upper two or three floors have similar activity going on and these rooms have stacks of papers on which these sets of people work on and do the activity with these papers that you've described? #01: Yes . #66: All right. Now describe the people themselves, personnel. #01: ...........Mostly...civilian, like dressed in some uniform way. ...I don't understand it. #66: All right. Now, male or female? #01: Both,....both . #66: Okay. Now we talked about the activity and we've talked about the personnel participating in the this activity; equipment, equipment in these rooms on the upper floors of "G" #01: None, just papers, files, folders. #66: All right. #01: Some typewriters,..seems.. there's direct connection with equipment though I can't identify. #66: Tell me about the typewriters. #01: Standard manuals,....some remote or far away equipment connection #66: All right. Now, before we go down in floors, before we do this, I want you to take a quick look to insure that you have, I want you to look left and right in area "G", so that you can be assured that you have in fact looked at all of the upper floors of area "G", both left and right of the stairwell. So look. #01: I have. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : R001600390001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08: CIA-- R WQi88R001600390001-3 #66: You have? You're sure of that, okay. Let's move down in floors now, down to the middle level floors, the middle level floors in area "G". #01: .........See four sections, . .its all an office, rooms, formally decorated, .. . .sort of like directors, controllers ... have, have staffs, . others who control somewhere. #66: Okay. You say you have it divided into four sections, break out section. #01: ...Just a minute. Geographic, based on geographics, not, not country, but a.....a...special area designation. #66: All right. I understand that the middle level, the middle level of area "G" is broken up into four general sections which pertain to geographic locations, I assume global geographic locations? #01: ......Ah,-- #66: When you say geographic-- #01: ..Smaller, smaller areas. #66: Okay, when you talk about geographic locations, you're talking about areas of the world? #01: Yes . #66: All right. Now, also I understand that these offices seem to be a bit more formally decorated and have to do with leadership and staff positions? #01: Yes . #66: All right. Now, in looking at these middle level floors, break out personnel, activity and equipment. #01: ........Same, ....almost (mumble), I don't know. #66: The four areas are generally the same, one to the other? #01: Yes . Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600390001-3 4 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 ~;r 788R001600390001-3 #66: All right. These people generally military, civilian, men, women? #01: Men, dominantly men,....some civilian, some military, but all dressed as civilians. #66: All right. Now the activity I believe you've described as being a management staff type activity. Let's examine the equipment characteristic of mid floors of area "G", the mid level floors of area "G". #01: It's, staff, but with control, control type staff. #66: All right, very good. #01: Don't see any equipment, just desks, chairs, office, type things ... #66: All right, do we have any secretarial support type of equipment? #01: Just a minute. ..............Have a..some kind of a special machine ...for a ...some kind of special typewriter that's ...for a ...instruction . It' s not the right word, it's a....passing something, ...relaying something. ....It's a, a, a...changing machine or something.'s complicated, it's electronic, ...things are sent to it,...through it,.. before they're allowed to leave the room, things are put through it, instructions.. a...requirements....has special kinds of keyboards ...and a..adjustable... patch cord squares, ..wires,...maybe some kind of translatings, translate a ...controls,'s complicated. Each directorate has these,..each section. #66: All right. Let us move then from the mid level, four directorates, to the lower levels, the lower floors now of area "G". #01: ......They're large offices, fancy, reception area,...a ..main entrance .....kind of a ....large food place, like cafeteria, eating place and a supply area, or store of some kind, apparently clothing,...see shelves of clothes. .....appears to be general service area. Approved For Release 2000/08/08: CIA'-i P ' 8R001600390001-3 5 0 . Approved For Release 2000/08/ #66: Okay. -00788R001600390001-3 #01: Couple large offices. #66: You have some large decorative offices, a reception area and other things. Let's start with the main entrance and describe the main entrance to me and what goes on there, main entrance to area "G"? #01: Outline white stone, double wide doors,...gray stone border, white walls, ...guards, a large mural on the wall, left to right, picture with stars, and a..lines through stars, the lines connecting stars. #66: Tell me about the guards. #01: Decorative, just standing there. ..They're armed, ah.. they have some kind .....machine guns, automatics,..funny helmets. #66: You said decorative? #01: No function,..don't do anything. #66: Okay, watch someone come into the building and see what happens. #01: .....Walked the....low counter, with an in and out side, and women checking some card. #66: Okay. I want you to orient this lower floor, you have some, down here from this main entrance, you some large offices, you have an eating area, store area. I want you to orient yourself for a few minutes because I'm going to ask you later to draw this main entrance area. #01: Okay. #66: All right. Now, check to see if there's anything below ground under "G", under building "G". #01: There's storage areas and-heating equipment. #66: All right. #01: ...Rooms full coal, coal. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600390001-3 6 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : A'-R 91100788 R001600390001-3 #66: Okay. Move now over to the last area, area "H". Starting with the upper floors of area "H". #01: ......In rooms that....rows and rows of files, not files but...cases with a......books, some kind of booklets or books, ...thick files of some kind, stacked, row after row like library......... #66: Describe these booklets. #01: Ah....six inches by ten inches, half inch thick,... thin paper,...serrated in a way so they tear. Ah.... #66: Now the setting in which you see these books, on library shelves or how are they? they #01: ...Stored like in a library, stacked. #66: You said something about crates or something? #01: No crates. .........They're packed and put metal, protected with metal wrapping, foil. in #66: You said something about them being packed? #01: Packed in foil . ......Packed in multiples of a heavy....heavy box. ........See an with a....Presses, printing presses. Closer ground floor. two. area to #66: Okay. #01: ......Many different sizes, cutting machines,...(mumble), processing books........ #66: Okay. In summary then in the area "H" upstairs, have many, many books which are packed in foil we packets, two at a time, and below this somewhere we have printing area and cutting, and book preparing area and further down then in area "H". #01: .........See a...lab like a....miniaturized assembly area of some kind, all identical desks type repair tables....with tools everywhere. #66: Type of tools? #01: Tiny, small and like watch re--, watch repair tools. ....Small electronic boxes like .... small Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : C144,R9 - ,p 88 R001600390001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIAR001600390001-3 some square, some narrow, some a little bit longer than others. ......Strong feeling of modification,....or alteration would be better choice..of words. #66: The activity then in perceived as some sort alteration or modification to electronic boxes? #01: Correct. #66: The tools used to do this seem to be extremely small tools, as though they were small enough to work on watches? #01: Yes, very small..... #66: All right. #01: There's a vault area here too. #66: Describe vault area. I'm sorry, wait just a moment. I don't know if in the choice of words you meant that this area was a vault area or that there was also a vault area. #01: Just a minute. #66: I will wait. #01: I can't tell if it's in vault or out of vault, you got to go through a vault door to get to it. I can't tell if it's in or out. You go through a vault door into area, you through vault out of area. #66: All right. #01: It's just a wall with a vault door. ......Steel cages,...with multiple compartments. #66: I've lost track of where you are. #01: Somewhere near a steel cages with multiple compartments, same same floor as the lab, repairs stuff. #66: Okay. #01: ............That's all I get. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP%6-00788R001600390001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : Cff"M 8R001600390001-3 #66: I have no further questions on the areas "F", "G", and "H". I'd like you to take a moment now and remember the main entrance area of area "G". I'll ask you to draw that. #01: Just a minute. ..........Ah, long building is a garage. See long row of cars parked in it. Its the E building. #66: All right. #01: Just a second.........Towers in the area are line-of-sight communications facilities, .... like shielded microwave antennas. That's all I get. #66: All right. Be sure you recall the main entrance to area "G". That's fine. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CI E? - 8R001600390001-3 9 ~ '. F. .. i Approved For Release 2000/ , ,P4# ,-00788R001600390001-3 #01: In the drawing that I drew here is the entry from the quadrangle into area "G", bottom floor. The entire floor is essentially detached from areas "F" and "H", in other words, you can't gain access to "F" and "H" except through the staircase. And I've indicated with an asterisk the position of the, what I call decorative guards. These are, you know, polished, armed, sentry type guards that stand just inside the door and look pretty. And then there's where the entry check is and exit check is, there's a couple women that check some kind of card going in and out. There's an open entry in the foyer to the cafeteria, what I call a cafeteria, I don't know what it is, some kind of eating area. And the kitchen, I perceive, to be in the rear. A staircase and the fancy offices are to the right. But you can only gain entry to them through the entry check. On the other side-are stores and clothes, that kind of thing, you know, like a general services type area. #66: #01: Okay. And it seems like the stores are mostly clothes, but they're like an exclusive store, like if you don't work in this building, you don't have access to the store. And that's it essentially. #66: Okay, fine. #01: And also, there's one other thing I wanted to say. These local towers, at the end of the session, when I went to these towers here, you know are different from the smoke stack type towers. And I went to this tower in particular and I perceived an emitter and receiver type device on top of tower, so there's some kind of relay system, communications relay system. #66: Okay. #01: And that's it. Approved For Release 2000/0ff?qMJEf ,JVW- 07888001600390001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08 6-00788R001600390001-3 Vk- 4 Approved For Release 2000/08/0 88R001600390001-3 Approved For Release 260/08/08 : CIA RDQB6 0788RO016003 b1-3 AGENT REPORT For use of this form, see FM 30 17fC); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the office of the Assistant Chef of Staff for 0ntelIIgo" ce. On 26 July 1983, Source Z6-0l was interviewed concerning three areas identified to him as "F", "G", and "H" within a group of unidentified buildings. Source stated substantially as follows: The top two floors of area "F" were residence type areas (not further identified). On the floor below this was a "chemical lab" which had an X-ray machine, sinks, stone top tables, beakers, and bottles of chemicals (not further identified). On the floors below this there were offices which "go into the "G" area" (not further identified). These offices, or office areas, were large enough for two or three people. The activity in the offices involved "reading and writing, analysis type work" (not further identified). This analysis involved the use of research papers (not further identified), data bits (not further identified), and information (not further identified) all of which was incomplete (not further identified). Personnel in these offices were of a military civilian mix. There seemed to be more military than civilian and more women that men. When questioned concerning equipment in these offices Source stated, "Just folders, papers, books, desks, file cabinets, (and) bookshelves." Source summarized his knowledge of these offices by stating that they were involved in "some kind of analysis mixed with administrative work" (not further identified). The upper two/three floors of area "G" were all the same. On these floors were moderate sized rooms, five to eight people to a room, with long tables and large stacks of papers everywhere. These stacks of papers were written copies of WARNING NOTICE: SENSITIVE CLASSIFIED BY: CDR, INSCOM INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND DECL: OADR METHODS INVOLVED NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS D A f{~iYM . *U.56overnmmn4 Printing tb/P1e?i 1902-361-640/0228 RPR 52 REPLACES WSJ AGO FORM 341, 1 JUN 7 P. A.....,.. 3,44-IM-1- .,.')nnntnQtn4 . r'IA 1 onn~cnn~nnnn4 12 For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Stuff for Intelligence. 1. NAW Of SUBJECT OR TITLE Of INCIDENT -T DATE SU?MiRED __e .~..._.-..m n..._.~. things said (not further identified). Activity in these rooms involved "marking individual papers with blocks, writing notes, transcribing notes, (and) filing papers." All of this activity seemed to have something to do with "identifications and information, people oriented information" (not further identified). Personnel working in these rooms were mostly civilian, but were dressed in some uniform way (not further identified). Personnel were identified as being both male and female, When questioned concerning equipment in these rooms Source stated, "None, just papers, files, (and) folders." Source also reported the presence of some typewriters which looked like "standard manuals" but had an unidentified direct, remote equipment connection (not further identified). The middle level floors in area "G" were divided into four sections which represented one office (not further identified). in this area there were formally decorated rooms for "directors, controllers" (not further identified). The section divisions were "based on geographics, not, not country, but a special area designation" (not further identified) . These sections appeared similar in personnel, activity, and equipment. The personnel were primarily men, both civilian and military, but dressed as civilians. The activity in the area was characterized as being "management, staff, but with control, control type staff" (not further identified) . In addition to general office furniture, Source reported that each directorate had "some kind of special typewriter" which was used for "passing something, relaying something." This "special machine" was electronic and very complicated. "Instructions" and "requirements" (not further identified) were sent through it before they left the room. It had special kinds of keyboards (riot further identified)? It was "adjustable (through the use of) patch cord squares, wires" (not further identified). Source provided a sketch of the lower floor of area "G" (see attached). Below area "G" were storage areas, heating equipment, and rooms full of coal. On the upper floors of area "H" were rooms containing many cases of booklets. These cases were very organized so that everything was in a certain place; just as in a library, all r APc~ R 52 RtPLACES WD AGO FO !, 1 4 ~Lppro~ AR Release 2000/0814 : a1 *U.s, Government Printing Offices 1441-541-I$i42 4 (2001600390001-3 For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chlof of Staff for Intelligence. AGENT REPORT books are in a certain place. The booklets were approximately six inches by ten inches by one half inch thick. The pages were of thin paper and were serrated in a way so they could be torn from the booklets. These booklets were packed or wrapped two at a time in metal foil (not further identified) which protects them. In an area on a floor below these rooms (not further identified) there were printing presses and cutting machines (not further identified). Somewhere in the lower floors of area "Hi", perhaps the ground floor, there was a lab or workshop in which miniaturized tools were used to modify or alter small electronic boxes (not further identified). This area may have been a "vault area" or connected to a "vault area" because there was a wall with a vault door here. Source volunteered, without being asked, that the "B" building had cars parked inside it. Source also volunteered, "Towers in the area are line--of-sight communications facilities, like shielded microwave antennas." In the towers were emitter and receiver type devices which may serve as a communications relay system. No further amplifying information concerning SUBJECT was obtained from Source during this interview. AGENT'S NOTES: The "chemical lab" in area "F" identified by Source may be a dispensary or pharmacy. Information provided by Source relevant to descriptions of rooms or offices may be accurate independent of their locations within buildings. Source is sometimes unable to accurately relate the position of rooms within buildings, or the position of a building within a group of buildings, due to the nature of his access to a targeted area. s. TYPED NAME AN a otGAN AT ON OP SPECIAL AGENT MR001600390' 'd1~3 rnendnt PrpntIflY Ofpite: t C2-3 1-34$mt2i Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : 788R001600390001-3 US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY CO AN. ("OVER SHI_ ET SUBJECT: Y FILE NUMBER: H[U-1029/8307/01 PREPARING UNIT- AGENT REPORT' DATED.- DESCRIPTION: Drawings Approved For Release 2000/08/08 :CIA-RDP96- 07 8R001600390001-3 ~I .BIT .~ _-- Approved For Release 20 E I DP96-00788RO01600390001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 fflttXtT&,F-t-W188 R001600390001-3