MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION: STONER/MEHURON - GRILL FLAME (U)

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• Publication Date: July 10, 1978
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MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION: STONER/MEHURON
SUBJECT: GRILL FLAME (U)
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10 July 1978
1. (S/NOFORN) On 7 July 1978, I met with Dr. W. 0. Mehuron, the Deputy
Director for Naval Intelligence R&D. I was specifically interested in
learning about Navy's past and present (if any) involvement with Para-
psychology.
2. (S/NOFORN) Dr. Mehuron stated that up until about 1975, .the Navy had
an active program going to explore Parapsychology as it might apply to
"submarines." The program was dropped because of the potential for adverse
publicity revealing the US Navy wasting scarce resources on ethereal ventures
like Parapsychology.
3. (S/NOFORN) Although the Navy has nothing going at this time, they may
be "interested" in conducting some experiments that are specifically designed
to satisfy their peculiar needs (i.e., submarines). These would be along
the lines of AMSAA's requirement to detect equipment movement. The Navy
would not be particularly interested in any work that does not have a
reasonable chance of applicability; that is, not too interested in the Basic
research part of Parapsychology.
4. (S/NOFORN) The Navy would very much like to be kept apprised of what
other Services are doing in this field. Dr. Mehuron said that. Rear Admiral
Harvey, Director of Naval Intelligence, would probably like to attend any
future planning conference, and would most certainly like to witness a
demonstration of the phenomena, if one can be arranged.
5. (S/NOFORN) Dr. Mehuron said that the natural body to pull any Para-
psychology R&D program together is the IRDC (Intelligence Research and Develop-
ment Council).
5. (C/NOFORN) Dr. Mehuron said that it would be several weeks before his
office could gather up all the documents that tell what Navy's prior experi-
ments/results were. Dr. Mehuron recently stumbled on to this subject when
he attended a senior DOD manager's course with Dr. (FNU) Kramar, Deputy
Director of AMSAA.,Mindividual knowledgeable of GRILL FLAME. Dr. Mehuron
agreed to postpone a tentative meeting with Dr. Kramar until such time as
it becomes clear what exact course the Army and DIA will take with regard
to Parapsychology R&D.
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MEMO OF CONVERSATION: STONER/PARKER
1. C4NOFORN) On this date I asked COL PARKER for permission to speak
with the Navy's Director of Technicai Intelligence, Dr Mehuron (55878),
reference GRILL FLAME. COL PARKER gave the go ahead.
2. (S/NOFORN) DR MEHURON's name came up today when COL DEPROSPERO
(AMSAA) called to tell me that his principal Action Officer on GRILL
FLAME, Mr CRAMER, had recently attended a course with MEHURON. It
seems that the two of them, CRAMER and MEHURON, got into discussions
of Parapsychology and MEHURON said that the Navy was still interested.
DEPROS1'L;RO recuuuuendud that OACSI bring Navy into the picture..
3. (S/NOFORN) COL PARKER went on to back brief me on a meeting he
recently had with DR LABERGE on the subject. At the meeting, he also
spoke with Ruth DAVIS. According to COL PARKER, there is some difference
between what the ACSI heard and DAVIS heard, at the 23 June meeting with
VORONA and LTG TIGHE.
4. (S/NOFORN) DR LABERGE said that he would be happy to sit on any
Parapsychology oversight board, and invited DAVIS to attend an experiment
with him in Dayton later this summer.
5. (S/NOFORN) COL PARKER went back to a previous meeting of 23 June,
at which time VORONA said that Congressman ROSE has agreed to sign some
sort of letter that DOD could pull out and use in a contigency situation.
TASKER: Find out from DR VORONA what this letter should contain, when
should it be written, etc. DAVIS thinks that ACSI/TIGIIE should write it.
6. (S/NOFORN) LTG TIGHE is not fully supportive, or at least enthusiastic,
about the military jumping in on Parapsychology R&D. He would rather we
become involved with countering the Soviet threat in this regard.
7. (S/NOFORN) DAVIS said that SRI has itsn oversight group to insure
valid testing is done by Targ and Puthoff. COL PARKER did not give the
names (if he knew), but said that DAVIS indicated that she had been
called by two people fr.,m Stanford. One fully supported the Parapsychology
effort without reservation; the other thinks that it is a "crock.". Two
of the SRI oversight members are Max Volard, and Dr CHESTNUT.
8. (C/NOFORN) COL PARKER had one more tacker, Discreetly find out if
LTG TIGHE has the authority to veto any R&D work we may want to do in
regard to GRILL FLAME -- or any other area for that matter.
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