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Approved For Release 108t9$ CIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 26 May 1983 SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary CL-1015/8304/08 (U) SG1A SG1A 1. (S/NOFORN) On 060900 May 1983, source #08 was interviewed by #66 concerning the events and personalities mentioned in a hand printed letter which had been received as unsolicited correspondence by the 8304 sponsor. 2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) photograph For this interview source was shown the 3. (U) A transcript of the interview was perpared including a narrative description of the drawings which source provided (see Incl 2). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for sponsor. This report related the salient points of the interview. Attached as an exhibit to the Agent Report was a copy of source's drawings (see Incl 3). 3 Incl FREDERICK H ATWATER as CPT, MI OPS/TNG Officer SG1A SG1A Approved For Release 2000/08/08 :C'IA-D96-00788R001900080002-3 SG1A Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 Next 3 Page(s) In Document Exempt Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 Approved For Release 2000/ P96-00788RO01900080002-3 #66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 6 May 1983. Relax and concentrate now, relax, relax, relax. Relax and let go and concentrate solely and completely on the area in the photograph V r awareness through time SG1A to at the area in the photograph I have shown you. Do this now and describe your impressions to me. #08: Get a.... it's early morning, it's.... it's dewy and damp a.-There's accident of a ..... four automobiles at the of business at the intersection, and you can start from there .... Maybe..the accident a ..... it still involves a big truck. #66: The accident that occurs in and around this intersection, is in the early morning hours? #08: Yes. #66: Focus now on the area in the photograph, focus on the area in the photograph, which is not the area of the accident. Focus on the area in the photograph and search for another event of interest, plus or minus 24 hours. #08: ............... The only impression that-comes up is one of..a...of chains wrapped around a....a big..stack of lumber, wood ......... Again the a..the impression of the-that the big red truck has a..lumber behind it. You're going to have to change the question if you want to find something out. #66: Okay. The building in the photograph, the brick, brown looking building in the photograph, place your back to that building and look back towards, back in the direction from whence the photograph taken, and describe the activities in front of you, the time SG1A n M t~ Zvi aw :cy~ `d1Is5 Approved' Fq Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 Approved For Release 2000/08108 P96-007888001900080002-3 SG1A #08: ..... There is a main drag that a...that that accident took place .....And it's 500 yards from the a.. intersection. #66: That's correct. The accident took place some distance from the intersection, but nearby. I'm interested in the immediate area near this building, the immediate area near this building, not the accident. #08: I see. #66: An event of intelligence interest. #08: Ah... #66: #08: .................. There's a..the impression of ....of a ......... there are three men involved in two cars. Two men came in one car, one man stayed behind in that car, about 30 yards away. The.. second man went to a second car and met with another man there. There is a...a light a. blue car,... is the meeting car...The.... used by the a...the two men.. a.. something to do with (MUMBLE). ....A..the..meeting isn't to be at a...the green car, the green car. #66: Describe the activities of these men. #08: Which ones? #66: The ones that come in a car and go to another car. #08: The two men in the green car.... came to meet-the man in the blue car, of the men, the driver of the green car stayed behind. The passenger in the green car met with the man in the blue car. #66: I understand. Describe their meeting to me. #08: ......... .The driver of the blue car.. is or contact on a ......... (mumble) How to plant, then there's a very, very quick... impression of a ..... of a shed of a....very flimsily built. pproveCI!t~gr Kelease ZUUU/Ut3/Utf : C;IA-KUI-Ub-UU/t$t$KUUl JUUUt$UUUZ-3 2 Approved For Release 20nninQtnst ( IA-RDP96-00788RO01900080002-3 #66: I'd like you to concentrate on the, on describing to me, the physical activities of these men as they meet. #08: (mumble) decision ......... There's an exchange. #66: Describe exchange. #08: small, small of the car to .... contact him.Get other driver #66: Watch what happens as things go on and describe the physical behavior, the physical activity of what's happening. #08: ..............There's a reluctance on the...driver of the blue car (mumble) (mumble) keep on doing, but .... ) he #66: (DELETE) #08? #08: Yeah. #66: Get out their heads and tell me what they're doing physically. #08: ....Talking. #66: Go on. #08: ....There's a...white the man in the passenger side to the man behind the wheel... a small package previously exchanged,..very hesitant to say...a feeling this is...undeveloped-- #66: I'm sorry, would you say-- #08: --undeveloped-- #66: Undeveloped what? #0$: Films #66: Undeveloped films. I assume they're in the package? #08: Yes. #66: All right. Two people from one vehicle give a package of undeveloped films-- For Release 2000/0&Q.&.., CIA-RDP96-00788 R001900080002-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 #08: No. #66: Explain. #08: ..Two people, they're arriving in an automobile. #66: Two people arrive in an automobile- #08: --green automobile. #66: All right. #08: One remains in the green vehicle. #66: --One stays. #08: Yes he is. #66: The other one? #08: Overseeing the activity at a distance of about 30 yards. The second man goes to a blue vehicle parked in front of a business establishment. The meeting takes place there. The exchange takes place there. #66: All right. So there's a man left behind in the arriving vehicle? #08: Yes. #66: One man then goes over to the other vehicle-- #08: Makes the meet. #66: All right. Now walk me through that physical activity again. #08: Physical activity, the first exchange is a small brown package. #66: Containing? 408: About 3 inches, 2 inches..wide, about 3..2 1/2 to 3 inches long, about 1/2 an inch thick, wrapped in brown paper. That is given from the man driving the blue car to the contact from the green car, sitting with the contact from the green car, is sitting in the passenger side of the blue car. elease 2000/06108 , DP96-00788 R001900080002-3 Approved For Releas #66: #08: #66: #08: #66: #08: #66: #08: #66: #08: #66: #08: #66: #08: #66: #08: #66: #08: All right. And then in the man an envelope to All right. envelope-- CIA-RDP96-00788RO01900080002-3 the passenger side of the blue car gives envelope, gives an envelope, gives an the driver of the blue car. The package given, in exchange for the Yeah. Contains? Undeveloped film. Undeveloped film. All right, what happens next? The man in the blue car taking off in this car in a northerly direction. Say again, direction. North. All right. This is the car that originally arrived? Yeah. I'm somewhat mixed up on the cars, but you can straighten me out later. Yeah. One car takes off going north. Yeah. All right. I have no further questions, it's getting a little late. But I would like to have you, while it's still in the session, to explore beyond the confines now of my questions, to explore deeper, and beyond the confines of my questions, this problem you've discovered. Do this now. ..The nagging the subject of the photographs, which is.. .which it.. .appears to be a very unimportant... almost primitive... outside.. the storage shed. ...I know its associated Approved- FArJ3eIease 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788RO01900080002-3 Approved For Release 2000/ IA-RDP96-00788 R001900080002-3 with.... with... a point of importance, but....this persistent... impression of the shed is ridiculous ........ #66: Okay, anything else? #08: No. #66: Okay, focusing on the car that arrived, the car that arrived with two people in it. #08: Yes. #66: There's a driver and a passenger? #08: Yes. #66: Which one stays behind? #08: The passenger went to the blue car. #66: All right. Focusing on the driver, who observes this from afar-- #08: Yes. #66: --tell me about him. #08: ......Physically...he's about, very light complexioned,..perceptibly balding with, balding with, with (mumble), brown, almost blondish hair, about,..5'9", 5'10" and, and about, 33, 35 years old. #66: Get inside his head and tell me about his personality. #08: .....His job is of operation. He's got about...about 7 years.. experience, but he's relatively new to the area,...about one year or more in the area. #66: How does he feel about what he's doing? #08: ..Started off with interest, slight excitement and (mumble).... His a...attitude with the..became one of indifference ..... Anytime you want to end this, it's all right with me. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : (PIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 Approved For Release A-RDP96-00788ROO 1900080002-3 #66: I'd like you now to remember the instant that you have seen, the setting in which this took place and the positions of the vehicles and the individuals involved so that you might draw it for me. #08: Yeah. #66: Let's prepare now to draw. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 Approved For Release 200 4 -RDP96-00788 R001900080002-3 #08: Okay, in sketch #1, which I have labeled "occurrence overview", which will encompass the entire happening, so to speak. In the upper left corner of the sketch on this road, labeled, main highway, to describe just that and the secondary highway, to describe just that. And starting from focal point of the restaurant in the picture, with my back towards the restaurant, looking what I perceived as being north along the highway. With this scenario in mind, let me tell you what I perceived, the occurrence to be. The green car is in the area that I labeled the exaggerated off road parking area, with a green car acting as observation post, not to say call a surveillance a surveillance. In that green car came two men, okay. The meet took place in front of a small business establishment, which I've labeled small business. It's a food type place. And in front of that food type place, is the blue car. In the green car, in the early hours of the morning, was a driver and a passenger. The driver acted as the observer. The passenger ended up in the blue car to make a meeting with the driver of the blue car. To simplify the transaction, the driver of the blue car passed a small package that I have described in detail, I think, during the session and the passenger from the green car passed a white envelope to the driver of the blue car. #66: Okay. So-- #08: That is the essence of the intelligence interest in what I perceived. #66: How many people were in the blue car? #08: In the blue car, just the one. Only two people in the green car. #66: Okay, so you're-- #08: I'm very specific. #66: Two people in the green car and one person in the blue car? s'd0'J a `L:EI S B 00 !' `Wi .4 _._ ~1' IO ALS alga p r Release 2000/08/b,8 : CIA-RDP96-00788 R001900080002-3 EAR Approved For Release 2000/ DP96-00788 R001900080002-3 #08: Yes. #66: All right. The green car, let me run through it. The green car arrives, the passenger leaves, goes to the blue car. #08: I didn't see that, that would take something else. I don't know how he got there, whether he was there waiting in the establishment or whether he walked casually from the green car. I don't think so, because there is about a 30 yard distance between the green car and the blue car. I don't know how he got there. #66: You don't know how he got-- #08: He arrived in this area, two men arrived in this area in the green car. #66: Okay. #08: The essence of the intelligence interest was the meeting between of the green car and the driver of the blue in front of that business establishment. #66: Okay. And its the blue car that has the package. #08: The blue car is the informer. The driver of the blue car is the informer. #66: Oh, I see, okay. The driver of the blue car is the informer. #08: Yeah. #66: All right. And he gives a package to? #08: A small package, which I said contained films-- #66: Yeah. #08: --undeveloped films. #66: To some, this other person who came from the green car. #08: Who was the passenger in the green car. #66: And that, in the green car person gave to the blue car person, an envelope? Release 2000118108'. CIA-RDP96-00788 R001900080002-3 Approved For Release 20 ,{Q Q;Q Q lA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 #08: Yes. #66: All right. And then you said that one of the cars took off, which car took off? #08: I was trying, I percipatated towards the end of the meet, to see which direction that blue car would be heading-- #66: All right. #08: --And it headed north. #66: All right. So the blue car left and went north. #08: North. And the green car eventually also went north, the green car came to that establishment later and picked this, his passenger, his original passenger and both of them headed north as well. #66: Oh, I understand what you mean. Okay. #08: Okay. #66: Okay. And so I originally asked you then about, later on I asked you about this individual in the green car, the driver of the green car. #08: This I described physically. #66: Okay. I wished I had asked you now about the guy in the blue car. If I had understood the scenario, I would ask you about the guy in the blue. #08: The blue car is the, blue car person is a man in his late forties, mid to late forties. And there's an impression of him being single and he was, it hard to describe, half dressed. in a sense, half dressed formally. He was wearing open shirt collar, but it was a like an open white shirt collar and a suit coat, as if he were, had not had a chance to change from his normal business work day clothes to a sports clothes or something of this nature. #66: There was something unusual about his clothing or something strange about his clothing? #08: Yes, yes. F r Release 2 $ : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1900080002-3 Approved For Release 20onifRinR ? rie-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 #66: Um, you mentioned reluctance before, who was the reluctant one? #08: It's a guy, the informer, to keep working. #66: He was reluctant to keep working? #08: Yes. The guy had to persuade him to keep on working. I don't know if he did or not. #66: Okay. #08: And I was still intrigued by the fact that, by the fact that I was, in my attempt to determine the object of the photographs, it definitely had something to do with a plant. And yet the persistent image of this stupid, stupid little temporary built shed keeps cropping up. #66: Okay. #08: And it simply didn't make sense. #66: So you have no really concrete, firm ideas as to what the photographs were. It was obviously, you said it was undeveloped film. #08: No, there was two, two items again, it has something to do with an industrial plant, but the issue of the photographs, the persistent image, and I can't describe it any better, has something to do with this almost temporary lean-to type shed. if you put 2x4s together and you buy these wavy temporary light material, plastic like you would have a sun roof or-- #66: --Corrugated fiberglass? #08: --corrugated fiberglass. That's what it was and it just didn't make sense. #66: OKay. Anything else you can tell me about the guy in the blue car? #08 No, I didn't really concentrate to hard, I was, I was getting lost in his mind, to determine the nature of his reluctance, when you brought me back to something else. r or Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788R001900080002-3 #66: I am now sorry I did that, because I didn't understand the scenario that you were trying to explain to me. #08: Uh, uh. #66: Okay, if you have nothing else? #08: And let me add this too, because at the beginning of this thing here, I thought, I thought and assumed that this entire session was on the accident, which is what I started working on, hence, the delay in getting to the real target. And also, in view of the previous session, looking for a big package, which was never addressed, nor did I address it. Okay, so it was like two completely different things. And if I had antic-- what I was anticipating was a continuation of the other session and it wasn't that at all. So that's how I felt subjectively. #66: Okay. So you feel you had no recollection, no recurrence of the, of the imagery-- #08: --Not of this thing. #66: --of the imagery that you had yesterday or (mumble)? #08: Well, no, completely different thing. #66: Totally different. Okay. #08: From my subjective point of view, from my viewing point of view. #66: Sure. #08: Okay. #66: Anything else? #08: No. or Release 2000/0 DP96-00788R001900080002-3 lease 2000/( DP96- P rt k r4.)'s orv - Ord 0 01.E * R,; PAppr-ovset fc~bR We 200/08I08y: 'a- d a .5,W V 6-00788R001 900080002-3 Approved For Re1dse 20IA-RDP96-00'8R001900080002-3 AGENT REPORT For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. I. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT 2. DATE SUBMITTED 3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER UNSOLICITED LETTER CL-1015/8304/08 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS ce 'n the SG1A Source stated that a blue car (not further identified) was parked in front of a business establishment (labeled a small restaurant in attached drawing, but not further identified) There was one male (not further identified) in this car. A second car, green (not further identified), arrived from an unspecified direction and parked across the street (not further identified) from the blue car. In this green car were two men (not further identified). The driver of the green car remained behind and observed as the passenger of the green car met with the driver of the blue car. The driver of the blue car gave the passenger of the green car a small brown package approximately three inches long by two inches wide by one half inch thick. Then the passenger of the green car gave the driver of the blue car a white envelope (not further identified). The package given to the passenger of the green car contained undeveloped film (not further identified). Source provided no information as to the contents of the white envelope. After this exchange, the passenger of the green car left the blue car. The blue car departed in a northerly direction. The green car drove to the business establishment, picked up the original passenger of the green car, and departed in a northerly direction. WARNING NOTICE: SENSITIVE CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DA MI- ISH INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND DTG: 051630ZJUL78 METHODS INVOLVED DECL: Originating Agency's NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN Determination Required NATIONALS (continued) S. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT 6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT FORM DAREPLACES WD AGO FORM 341 1 1UN 47 WH MAY BE USED. OU.s. Government Printing Office: 1952-381-481522. ' "~R ppr4vl d For Release 2 IA-RDP96-007888001900080002-3 Approved For Redse IA-RDP96-00 8R001900080002-3 AGENT REPORT For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. 1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT 2. DATE SUBMITTED 3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER UNSOLICITED LETTER CL-1015/8304/08 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS The driver of the-blue car, whom Source believed to be an informant, was described as follows: mid to late forties single wearing open shirt with suit coat The driver of the green car was described by Source as follows: 33 to 35 years of age 5'9" to 5'10" tall very light complected brown/blondish hair balding Further attempts to obtain information from Source relevant to the letter met with negative results. Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I is a drawing of the intersection in question provided by Source. SG1A S. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT 6. 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