CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - CL-1005/8305/01 (Sanitized)

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Approved For Release 200 i~ ~ P96-007888001900130001-8 ?a , ~, :: .d~~~ ~;~~~~" .~ IAGPA-F-SD 20 April 1983 SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1005/8305/01 (U) 1. (S/NOFORN) On 130900 April 1983, source #O1 was interviewed by #66 in an attempt to determine the location of a specific item during the time window 15 - 18 April 1983. Source was questioned concerning an area designated by the project 8305 sponsor as being a suspected location for the specific item. The project $305 sponsor had provided the name of the suspected location and the nomenclature of the specific item (see Incl 1). ts/u--3 /~?~oFOQU) 2E-~~"'""""""~ For this interview source was provided a sealed envelope containing the name of the suspected location and the nomenclature of the item in question. Source was asked to focus his attention on the location designated in the sealed envelope and describe the area ~s of the time window of 15 - 18 April 1983. Source was not told the name of the designated location, the nomenclature of the specific item, or given any other identifying data. The collection plan called for the use of this information as "feedback" and cuing material for possible subsequent interviews. 3. (U) A transcript of tYie interview was prepared including a narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided (see Incl 2). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor. This report related the salient points of the interview. Attached as an exhibit to the DA Form 341 was a copy of source's drawings (see Incl 3). FREDERICK H. ATWATER 3 Incl as CPT, MI OPS/TNG Officer CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH DTG: 051630ZJUL78 DECL: Originating Agency's Determination Required Approved For Release 2000/08/08~ -~1~~=F~DP96-0ee0._7888001900130001-8 ,IVC/A c .~7 ,:1.i~~nBT:~ `~'~ FO~IG11 ~A~'go~.t~~7 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 :CIA-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 :CIA-RDP96-00788R00190~1 X0001-8 ~~ ~ Approved For Release 2000/~~ ~ ? '~ DP96-007888001900130001-8 ~~ #66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 13 April 1983. Concentrate now, concentrate and focus this concentration, this awareness on the location designated in the sealed envelope I've provided. Move now this awareness, this focus, move your awareness to a location, move through space and time to the location, 15 through 18 April, 15 through 18 April, awareness only of this area and this time. Describe your perceptions to me. #O1; ......I got a's a fenced compound.... hmm, impression of a...wide, flat roof building. It's very long. inside another fence....Fences are concertina wire rolled out.....See rows of, looks like, heavy tanks parked in rows. #66: Stop. Describe to me your relative position as you perceive this area. #O1: I just came through a gate. And it's on my left this parking lot. It's like a fence inside a fence, inside a compound. #66: Go on. #O1: Get an impression of lots of canvas and wood framings, it's more of a semipermanent type thing. #66: Te11 me more about the tanks. #Ol: Ah..these..very big..parked in rows, got a...turrets look like large shells...of turtles, narrow nose on turret, very flat thick area in the back. It's like a...some kind of grid or grill on top of the back. There's a big gun....hmm...just a minute. #66: I will wait. #O1: ..There's some kind of tube, an encasement type of thing down the side..all fastened in the same a....double hatch, one center forward rear right. Inside's cut up into three compartments....Just a minute............Get a perception of same kind of detachable travel fuel tank..for longer range. These are covered with a...these tanks are covered with some kind of..okra colored dust, but they're a--new CENTvlk For Release 2000/O~lQ8 ~'C 96-007888001900130001-8 Approved For Release IA-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 ... _ ~!~ c? #66: Excuse me-- #O1; ---new. #66: You talk about a tank for long distance, and yet you're talking about a vehicle called a tank, I don't understand. #pl: Fuel tank. #66: All right. Is the fuel tank new or is the vehicle new? #O1: Hmm it's all new. #66: Obtain compound perspective as opposed to a singular tank perspective and tell me when you're ready. #O1: Okay, just a minute......Okay. #66: All right. Now, the number of tanks is perceptible. #O1: Just a minute......Fours rows of 18......very neat's spaced between first 9 and the second 9. #66: Differences or similarities are perceptible. #O1: All"cutsouts", they're all the same. Look like a..ducks in a row. Just don't see any difference. #66: I understand. Now, time is perceptible. #O1: Sun's at a..17 April. Everything's reddish color, the sun's very low, to the west. #G6: All right. Prepare yourself now for movement within this area. #Ol: Okay. #66: Up 50 feet, up 100 feet, up 200 feet, 500 feet, 1,000, look down and describe. #Ol: Compound is an odd shape, nestled in some scrubby hills. Everything seems to be red oak or scrub brush, minimal trees, almost a desert type feeling, more gravel, hard pack. Feel like I'm..some...feel like I'm somewhere east, northeast of a border area. r i 1 r Release 2000/08/08 :2CIA-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 ~a ~ ~ ~~.~ Approved For Release 2~*RDP96-007888001900130001-8 #66: All right. Centering the compound below you, centering the compound, describe oblique view around the compass. #01: North, green hills..south, mountains, snow is still melting in the mountains. West...major cities, distance, a....hard to tell. #66: I understand from your oblique perspective, east? #pl; East,...northeast is a city. North, northeast is a city. Your closer than the one in the west. #66: #O1: All right. Describe the compound from this altitude. Irregular outline, tank park in the side. a...see tent area, I think, look like tents. See a-- #66; Stop. Move to compound area on the ground. #O1: Okay. #66; Relax, now. Relax and absorb and become one with your awareness. Concentrate now, concentrate and free yourself. Close dawn your perceptions of the target, on 17 April, 17 April, now goes away as your perceptions close dawn. Move now, move to 25 April, 25 April and as you once again become aware of the compound on 25 April, describe it to me. #O1: The only difference is that the tanks are rearranged, some missing. #66: Say again. #01: Some are missing. #66: Inventory. #01; .....Two first rows a...front left 9 are gone. 18 of them are gone. Seems to be more crowded now inside the compound. #66: Raw data? #O1: Just feels fuller. Some kind of screen has been erected on the outside, can't tell if it's wood or cloth. I think it's cloth. It's like to block the view..It's around the tank area and it's around the front right area, kind of a mechanic's area. 3 or Release 2000/08/08 .,;-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 i.. `~,:~~ Approved For Release 2 .' RDP96-007888001900130001-8 #GG: All right. Prepare for movement exercise. #O1: Okay. #66: Time, 25 April 1983, place, present location of tanks that were moved..25 April. #O1: All over I see some along side of road,...see some by a hill.... #G6: All right, I understand your perspective, and I don't wish to pursue my question further because I understand what you're telling me. Return to compound location, 25 April. #Ol: Okay. #GG: I have no further questions. But I would like to allow you now that you're in the time window of 25 April, to describe on your own without the confines of my questions. #O1: ...I'm going to tell you that I'm still getting the overlay of the man in the room who dies, very strong. #66: Describe this man to me. #O1: Dark, dark hair, speckled with gray or sandy color, very heavy mustache, mid, late forties, high cheekbones, heavy eyebrows. Getting a feeling of older someway, maybe his mental state. #G6: His height and weight? #O1: ..5' 6",ah... 160-155 - medium to light build, dark skin. #G6: Distinguishing scars or marks? #Ol: ..I don't get any, so I don't, ..have trouble with that. #66: All right. #O1: ..Nervous, nervous condition in left eye, left eye, something with left eye. #GG: Describe the surroundings as you describe this man, describe the surroundings. CE 4 or Release 2000/08~08~~:',GIA-R P96-007888001900130001-8 ~ Approved For Release 2000/O~t~ p ~` ~ P96-007888001900130001-8 ,:: ~~ ~. ~.. ~ "~ rw i? #O1: His with a....six others in a room, fairly large. #66: Describe sound in area. #O1: Just hear a rumbling noise, a grinding noice. #66: Activities of individuals in room. #O1: Just standing by him, he's laying down. I just get this overwhelming sense of danger and.. #6fi: Date time is perceptible. #O1: ....It's 23, 21 April, somewhere in there, 21 April. #66: Conversation in room is perceptible. #O1: I don't get any. People just watching. #66: Move sideways in time to conversation point. #O1:'s a feeling of politics discussed. argument,ah...anger, all politic. Then an #66: Language? #O1: ...Arabic, some form of Arabic. #66: Break this out. #O1: ..Not, not completely Arabic, it's a guttural, like Slavic, Arabic combined. I don't know. #66: All right. I have no further questions. But before returning your perceptions to present time and my voice, before returning your perceptions, I would like you once again scan the compound and the tanks, so you might render a drawing for me. #O1: Just a minute. #66: I will wait. Take as much time as you need. #O1: Okay. #66: All right. p :~... d For Release 200D/08/08 : CIAS RDP96-007888001900130001-8 Approved For Release ~:+f,~I~RDP96-007888001900130001-8 DRAWING EXPLANATION #pl; Page #1 is a representation of my perceptions of this very large and very heavy tank, as best as I can draw it. It's missing a lot of the details simply because I just don't know how to do that, you know. There's so much there. I wrote important notes down about it. The point is, this thing is very large and very heavy, the turret is really massive, you know, it's like almost an over kill on turret. #O1: Page #2 is an outline of the compound area and with a dotted line around the sections of tanks that dissappeared from the compound by 25 April. And I put all the arrows showing different directions to cities and whatnot. And that's essentially it. t- For Release 2 ~ -.8/08 : D~4-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 :CIA-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 SCNtE I~/A~Q ~ A ~~~. ~ DE~~N t~ a~ p~~ ,~ l~p~ ~~ D Approved For Release 2000/08/08 :CIA-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 :CIA-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 ~, PpfeP ~6~' ~'~~ /~-~ bVK Approved For Release 2000/08/08 :CIA-RDP96-007888001900130001-8 Approved For Release 200 DP96-007888001900130001-8 For use of this form, see FM 3Q-17(C); AR 381-~0; fhe proponent ogency is th? Office of She Aasip4onf Chief of Staff foe OnPtlliq~nncs. 1~NAME Of SUSlECT OR TfflE Of INCIDENT ~~~ w ~ ~~ ~ ~~ Z. DATE SUS~tITTEO ~~ ~~ _.__. 3. CONTROL SYM6Al OR FOIE NUM@ER CT:-?1005/8305/01 On 13 April ,1983, Source CL-O1 was interviewed in an attempt to determine the location of a specific item during tk~e period 15 tY~rough 18 April 19$3. Source was questioned concerning a designated area suspected of being the location of the specific item. Source stated substantially as follows: locations (not further identified). missing tanks, perhaps as many as 18, had been sent to various 1983, the tanks were rearranged and some were missing. The these tanks appeared to be the same to Source. As of 25 April as many as 72 tanks parked here as of 17 April 1983. A11 of drawing (see drawing 1), parked in rows. There may have been containing riew heavy tanks, which Source described a.n a city. Of interest in the compound was an interior fenced area (see drawing 2), was an add sYYaped fenced compound near a The designated area, which Source described in a drawing At the end of tYae interview Source volunteered the this interview: CL-1003/8305/01) which may or may not be relevant to the specific item in question or' the designated area targeted in following infarmation (previously mentioned in report man. Source described this man as follows: Tn. a fairly large room (nat further identified) was a 5' 6" ta11 1'55-160 pounds Medium to light build Dark hair, speckled with gray or sandy color Very heavy mustache Nigh cheekbones Heavy eyebrows 40-50 years old Nervous condition in left eye WARNING NOTTCE: SENSTTTVE CLASSIFIED BX: MSG, DAMI-ISH INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND DTG: 051630ZJUL78 FiETHODS INVOLVED DELL: Originating Agency's NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN Determination Required '~~ REP ES Wp AGO A 7, iyf ~ 4` {-U.S. Oovarnm?nt Prlnlinp OPiOea: 9pl2-lf{t-i46/wgZ? ' For ~elease~~7b~ ~ ~. -~t~~96-007888001900130001-8 Approved For Rele 200~f0g SCENT REPORT For use of this form, see FM 30-17dC); ~~ 3B1-gyp; thr proponent agency is th? ?fRu of the Astiatanf Chlsi ai Stafi for Int~a9lEpanu. .___._, __.._..._----.__~a~___.__-_._.__.-..__._.._._._-..~__~-~-.m__.._.__._._-~-______ ~Y. hAME Of SUlIECT dW TRLE OF IhCll?ENT 7. DATE SUlMITTED SG1A 3, CQNIfiROI SYMSOI qR FILE Nli/hlEtl ...-~_ c~-lao5/83a5/Ol In the room were six other individuals {not further identified). A political discussion in Arabic or gutteral Slavic/Arabic developed into an argument. Source reported that the man described above diQS possibly between 18 and 25 April 1983. No further amplifying information concerning the specific item in question, the designated area, or data pertaining to the man described above was obtained from Source during this interview. Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I are drawings provided by Source. AGENT?S NOTES: Information reported by Source may be accurate in its chronological sequence but inaccurate in the specific date/time referenced. S. TYY4D hlAhtE AhD ORCrANI%Ai1dN AF SPE~9a~AGEN~~~AS~T,,C,~~~ ~,Q ~ .??.NsA ,iNY'' ~hYil r`~~LV vn wwr o CIA=f~ Approved For Release 2000/ , ~ ,~, ~~ 6-007888001900130001-8 ~~ ~~~..~ \i~l~l d L SG1A T: CL-1UU5/830/U1 ~ T. 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