CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY HU-1050/8313/01

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• Publication Date: November 8, 1983
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IAGPA-F-SD 8 November 1983
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary HU-1050/8313/01 (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 260900 October 1983, source #01 was
interviewed by #66 concerning activities within a building
unidentified to source. The 8313 sponsor had provided copies of
photographs of the building and the surrounding area, an EEI list, and
an oral briefing of the operational situation.
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was provided with a
sealed envelope containing a selected photograph of the building. He
was asked to focus his efforts on describing the target building. He
was not provided with any other information pertaining to the site.
All other information was withheld from source for use as feedback and
cuing for subsequent interviews.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a
narrative description of the drawing which source provided (see Incl
1) .
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for sponsor. This
report related the salient points of the interview. Attached as an
exhibit to the Agent Report was a copy of source's drawing (see Incl
2).
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#66:
This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
26 October 1983. Relax and concentrate now.
Relax, relax, relax. Relax and focus your
attention solely and completely on the target
building. And as you do describe the area to me.
#01:
....See very low roof, ..a house flat,
..rectangular. See a significant difference in
weather,...... .... a lot of windows,...... in a
city. ....... Getting a zig-zag form to the front
edge, or upper edge of the building. .....
Overwhelming a...foreign, a..spanish type feeling.
#66:
What's the raw data that you have on that?
#01:
Ah....I don't know, it's like a..I sense proximity
of a....jungle or a...water jungle swamp.
#66:
Okay tell me--
#01:
--Hills.
#66:
Tell me about this flat roof, low building.
Describe it to me.
#01:
...... See a...people going, coming ah..military,
but not military ah..
#01:
Ah..military people, civilian clothes,
just a minute, it's confusing.
ah....ah...
#01:
....Feel like a...strong impression of
people, ah..people on missions in the
espionage.
a...spy type
military,
#66:
Okay. You need to break out the raw data and don't
tell me your conclusions. Describe the raw data.
#01:
People meeting other people, exchanging data,
materials.
#66:
That's very good. That's the kind of descriptions
I want. Now these people that are arrive at this
low flat building with many windows. I want you go
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along with them and describe how you get into this
building, describe the surroundings, where they sit
and talk and so forth. I will wait.
#01: .......... ....Have to a....I don't know--I get
a..impression of a front, ..front type of operation.
#01: Ah...building within a building or a section of the
building is .. fronting for the other section. See
many people coming, going through the...a..business
part ..double operations. ....You got to be taken
in or met.
#66: Describe specifics.
#01: See a ..people going in for appointments,
ah...special phone number or special person comes
out, ..goes through second door with visitor,..
client, client better word.
#66: Okay. Follow.
#01: ........MMMM, debriefing rooms, sound proofing.
#66: Break that out.
#01: Ah..rooms, sound proofed, black, just table,
chairs, protected meeting.
#66: Describe "protected."
#01: Ah...secret meeting, ah....agents meeting, spies,
sales people, people selling things, papers.
#66: Okay, try to, it's critical that we know about the
physical area. Try to maintain your focus of
perception on the physical there.
#66: This room is sound proof, describe.
#01: .....um, 12 feet wide, ...14, 18 feet long,
..standard roof height, sound proof, ceiling and
walls.
#66: Describe method of sound proof.
#01: Ah ........ see a .... Farraday cage, ah..behind
a...paneling. Paneling has got foam or something,
thick fiber of some kind... backing it. Ah..
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Everything is a light color though. Ah......ah
.... just seeing bubbles of some kind,.... getting
very raw impressions. Ah..windows are blanked,
locked, screened, ..ah correction, no windows.
#66: Okay.
#01: Some kind of conference area, conference room.
#66: Are we in a different area now?
#01: No, same, same.
#66: Okay. Are there more than one of these rooms in
this low flat building?
#01: Just a minute. ...........Yes, there's a.. minimum
of four that I can find, much like interrogations
rooms, ah..white walls, ceiling or least light
colored. See squares of foam or sound proofing
board, ah...no windows, shielded room.
#66: Break out shielded.
#01: Keep getting some kind grid,..mesh or grid. Ah
..rooms are either no windows or all interior walls
are..... like boxes within a box.
#66: All right.
#01: That's all I keep getting, is boxes inside of boxes.
#66: Okay. I need two things now. I need you to tell
me how I get in the building and get to these rooms
so you can draw it for me in a dollhouse
perspective so I want to give you a few minutes to
work on that.
#01: ... ...........See a entrance to ..general
business, foyer area, reception, doorway to hall,
long...long hall, second door. I need to go
through cipher lock or some device, second door, an
electronic release...ah..
#66: Where's that electronic release controlled?
#01: Ah...in the desk inside the second door.
#66: All right. Go on.
#01:
Ah..another hallway, left turn, rooms are down this
hallway. Right turn off is this gray desk area,
general operations area.
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#66: Break out general operations.
#01: Just see many, ah, government type desks, gray.
#66: Okay.
#01: Some gray, some civilian, ah ...... people in suits
working.
#66: Say what.
#01: People in suits working.
#66: Okay.
#01: ..... Still get a strong feeling it's Spanish.
#66: All right.
#01: Maybe a language spoken there.
#66: All right. Do you have enough of the picture in
your mind now to give me a drawing a little later?
#01: Ummm, yes.
#66: Alright I'd like to go on to some other questions
now.
#01: Okay.
#66: 24 hour time scan. What's the manning situation
over 24 hours?
#01: ....Total in building or just ops area?
#66: In the more secure area, in the total...in the
building, the building is not a very, very large
building. The building is relatively small, this
flat, one story, flat place.
#01: Right, Right
#66: Um, um.
#01: Ah ......
#66: Are there people in the building 24 hours a day,
and if so where are they?
#01: Ah...see one duty person ...and guard.
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#66: I'm sorry, I didn't understand.
#01: See one duty person, guard at off duty hours.
#66: All right. That's one singular guard, not a duty
person and a guard?
#01: Correct.
#66: One singular guard, all right.
#01: Somebody's on call, however.
#66: Now, describe this guard to me and where he is in
the building.
#01: .......... Just inside the entry door and the foyer
area.
#66: Not behind the second door?
#01: No. I don't perceive anyone behind the second door.
#66: Okay.
#01: See second door to be alarmed.
#66: Describe alarm system.
#01: ..See ah...three types. First is all time alarms
circuit TV, television monitors. Second
a..standard magnetic ADT type door alarm devices,
window devices. Third is a ....... ah..volumetric
device of some sort in the vault room.
#66: Break out volumetric device.
#01: Vibratory, loud sound, loud movement, physical
movement sets it off.
#66: All right. And does that alarm, this back room
area of interrogation rooms?
#01: ............. Negative, just vault area.
#66: Okay, there's a separate vault area you haven't
described?
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#66: Inside vaults ah...ah..money, considerable amount
of money,...some equipment, sensitive
equipment,..transmitters, guns,... mostly
pistols,... Thermites ..... destruction
devices,...papers.
#66: Okay. This, a...this camera device, TV monitor
device?
#01: Right.
#01: ..Monitors the hallway immediately off that second
door, a security door, monitors exterior walls of
the building.
#66: Okay. And--
#01: --Front.
#66: And who watches the monitor?
#01: Guard.
#66: Okay. Is there remote? Is there some other way
besides this guard that watches the monitor?
#01: Ah. .Just a minute ....... . See a...just getting
a flash impression of second building down the road
a ways, not far ..... It's interesting though, it's
like a ...... sudden impression the second building
monitors the target building, but the target
building is unaware of that. ..This is like
distant impression.
#66: Okay. Maybe we're not sure at this point whether
it's monitoring or not?
#01: That's all I get on that.
#66: Okay.
#01: There's a screen out put in the security area, but
it's only for the hallway TV, ..outside the
security door.
#66: I see, so that somebody inside the second door
could see who was outside that door?
#01: That's correct.
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#66: All right. Now, you say there's about four rooms,
these acoustically treated rooms in there?
#01: Um, um. Four rooms total, two acoustics,
acoustically treated.
#66: And the others are offices or something?
#01: Yes, one large and one small.
#66: All right. Now, I want to do a time movement
exercise again.
#01: Okay.
#66: On Saturday mornings meetings take place,
midmorning Saturdays on target time, meetings take
place here. Which specific area in the building do
these meetings take place?
#01: Just a minute. ............ First ...ah...impression
is large interrogation room, but I keep wanting to
call it conference room so it has dual purpose.
#66: Is this one of these acoustically treated rooms?
#01: That's correct.
#66: One is larger then the other?
#01: That's correct.
#66: And you'll be able to draw it for me where it is in
the building?
#01: Yes. ......... See a four individuals at meeting.
#66: Describe.
#01: Ah...one from outside, three from inside.
#66: Break out outside, inside.
#01: Outside not connected with building. Three inside
connected with function of building. See a ......
see distinct a..distinct agent, counterintelligence
agent relationship. No, it's bigger a..spy agent
relationship,...negotiation is debrief or something.
#66: Okay. Umm...
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#01: Wait, wait. .......... Okay .... ah...just almost
touched somebody there, I ...... think I could touch
the agent.
#66: Okay, what's the general discussions on these
Saturday mornings? What is the subject of these
discussions, Saturday morning meetings?
#01: Mmmm, just a minute, I want to get in his head for
a second. .. ....See a..see a...see
lots..ah..selling information on troop movements,
equipment, supplies, data, Russian,... South
American involvement,....ah, mostly supply
movements, person selling information,..ah,
government, US government buying, but not directly,
indirectly. ...See much negotiation, talk.
Ah...Just seeing lots of words with M's, South
American words with M's, place names, ah..flashes,
ah...feeling I'm in a neutral zone of some kind, a
neutral zone of some kind. I'm not sure now, I'm
losing it.
#66: All right.
#01: ...Feel like something being set up, some key
operation is being set up.
#66: Okay.
#01: The information's coming in and plans are being
keyed to information flow,...by agent on the ground.
#66: Rather than the narrow focus of this one singular
agent, let's look at the total plan, what is the
total plan?
#01: ... ......Part of something, ah. .might be
overlay, see a ship involved, big ship ..... see um
some kind of a...mini force movement, mini invasion
or force movement,...interdictory type move, it's
involvement with large ship.
#66: And what is the goal of this "mini" movement?
#01: ..Steal..something,..steal some military
equipment. Ah..flashback, I'm getting flashes to
another operation, which is the old tank operation.
#01: I know, I thought of that. It's giving me a lot of
overlay though now, I hesitate to answer now.
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#66: Okay, let's go back to this building.
#01: Okay.
#66: Now you've described a low building with many
windows and then interior of this building, you
said that this building is a, there's something
that's double about this building. You go into it
for one thing, but then you can do something else
in there. You described some sort of security
system with that situation. All right, I want you
now to break into the building successfully into
those back rooms and tell me how you do that.
#01: ........... .Ah. .gain access to the back rooms
... surreptitously,.. can be done with a,..with
a...disabling the power and telephones, then go in
through your back door. ..Best way is to not do so
physically, just go through the roof with a
listening device, ...actually drill the roof.
#66: Say again, actually what?
#01: Drill the roof.
#66: Drill?
#01: Drill the roof. There's a ..it's vulnerable.
Non-surreptitous entry would be best accomplished
with a ..a...direct assault type.
#66: Can you tell more about putting this bugging device
in the roof?
#01: Drill the roof over the meeting room, not drill all
the way through, but almost. Plant device directly
over the roof, could-could be done, sealed.
#66: OK. Is the roof under surveillance by the cameras?
#01: No, I don't see any surveillance cameras.
#66: Okay.
#01: I don't see any on roof. But it's-exterior walls
are surveilled.
#66: OK. I have no other question here.
#01: Okay.
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#66: Now, go up above the building,about 100 feet above
the building and if you look just to the perimeter,
the outside of the building, within about 20 feet
all the way around the building, there's something
there that should be very interesting to see on the
ground.
#01: On the ground or under the ground?
#66: On.
#01: I don't see anything.
#66: Okay, now within a 100 feet of the building, the
perimeter of the building within a 100 feet.
#01: ....See some kind of ....I don't know, just a line,
an impression of a line.
#66: Okay.
#01: Very faint. ......... It doesn't go all the way
around, it just goes to the sides and the back.
#66: OK, describe the, you know, the sides of the
building, the front, back, the left and the right
sides. Describe the area there, the terrain, what
is to the left and the right and the front and the
back?
#01: ....Um get a..front I get a.. like a ..almost a
ramp effect, .... left and right and in the rear I
get water or something like it. It falls away.
..... This is starting to break up an awful lot.
#66: I understand, it's late.
#01: ......Thought a..another way to gain entry
surreptitously ...would be to, it would like spy...
I would gain access to room.
#66: Okay.
#01: I'm losing this (#66).
#66: I have no further questions. Take a minute to
recall the view you had and the way you get into
the building, because I'll ask you to draw in
detail the floor plan of the building in dollhouse
perspective.
#01: .......................... Okay.
#66: Okay, fine.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION HU-1050/8313/01
#01: Okay my drawing is dollhouse view of this layout as
I interpret it to be. And I've indicated the cover
entrance or foyer type area and it's got two doors
going to other areas, but it's also got a long
hallway. And at the end of the hallway is this
security door. Just inside the security door is a
larger office, but a small off to the side next to
a vault. On the right is like a large conference
or interrogation room and a small interrogation
room. The only one I'm sure of is the entry area,
which is the front wall of the building, and the
other four walls I'm not sure about or the space
around this area inside the building, it seems to
be protected from the exterior walls. There's like
a box inside a box effect in the interrogation
rooms, the two interrogation rooms. And that's
essentially it.
#66: Okay, show me on the diagram the surveillance
cameras and alarm devices that you talked about.
#01: Okay, I'll put in red asterisk, the cameras.
There's one on the back wall somewhere. Those are
the cameras. And the actual monitor screens, I'll
make little red squares, okay, a "G" for guard.
#66: Okay, and did you say there was a guard on the
inside as well, behind the security door?
#01: Yeah, but only during days, you know, during the
operational hours and he's right next to the screen
inside. And the vault's got a--I'll put in a "V"
for a volumetric device, which senses vibration or
whatever. And aside from that, there's, a...I'll
put in "A's" for ADT alarm systems. There's one on
the inner door and the outer door and all the
windows-
#66: Okay.
#01: And that's essentially it. That's the best I can
do right now.
#66: Okay. Anything else you want to add?
#01: No. Oh, there's one other thing I would add. If I
was going, if I wanted the layout of this place and
I wanted to gain entry, I'd find something these
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people are interested in and sell it to them. I'd
play spy on 'em and they would take me right on in
there and give me a tour. That would the most, the
easiest and most surreptiously way of doing it, in
my opinion. Other than that, I think, a...you
know, engineering some kind of hit on the place
would be the second, but that's not a surreptious
way of gaining entry, that's just a way---
#66: So, what you're suggesting is that if they can
convince them somehow to take somebody into that
building--
#01: Oh, absolutely And there's so, from what I
perceive the interest area to be, it's so easy to
be duped. I mean it's just incredibly easy to be
duped in that area, cause it has something to do
with material supply, guns, equipment movement in
support of the revolution going on down south.
And, a...this is a neutral area, but it's easily
accessible to those areas, you know, like Honduras
and Salvador and whatnot.
#66: Okay, that's what you perceive that you see some
sort of Spanish something.
#01: Oh, absolutely, this is South America and it's
Spanish and it's got to do with San Salvador and
everything. But it's like, this like some kind of
a..a free fire zone or a safe zone of some kind. I
don't where specifically but it's a lot of jungle
and rolling hills and water, a lot of water, and a
city.
#66: Okay.
#01: That's all I got.
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AGENT REPORT
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT ~^ ~- _ _?__.. l~~r2. DATE SUBMITTED
On 26 October 1983, Source HU-0l was interviewed
concerning the activities within a building. Source stated
substantially as follows:
The building was a house with many windows and a low flat
rectangular roof in a foreign city with a "Spanish type
feeling" (not further identified) near a jungle. Inside the
building (see drawing) were two sound proofed, shielded
"debriefing" or "interrogation" rooms without windows and
furnished with only a table and chairs. Also in the building
were office areas (not further identified) and a vault
containing money, some sensitive equipment, transmitters,
guns, most of which were pistols, thermite destruction
devices, and papers (none of which was further identified).
These areas were secured by a door with a cipher lock or
electronic release device operated by a daytime guard ("G" on
the drawing; not further identified) behind the security
door. This door and the entry door were alarmed with standard
magnetic ADT type devices (indicated as A on the drawing).
Windows in the building were also alarmed with similar
devices. The vault was alarmed with a volumetric device ("V"
on the drawing) which sensed vibration. Outside the security
door was a entry foyer which served as a business cover or
front (not further identified) for the area behind the
security door. A 24 hour guard (not further identified) in
the foyer monitored television surveillance cameras (indicated
as * on the drawing) located outside and inside the building.
The television surveillance camera located at the end of the
hall near the security door was also monitored by the guard
behind the security door.
Inside the building (presumably behind the security door
but not specified by Source) military personnel in civilian
clothes (not further identified) met other people (not further
identified) and exchanged data and materials (not further
identified). These "spy type people" conducted military
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For use of this form, see FM 30-1 7(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant ChIof of Staff for Intel IIgence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUEMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
UNIDENTIFIED BUILDING
HU-l050/83l3/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
espionage missions (not further identified) and secret
meetings, "agents meeting spies, sales people, people selling
things, papers" .(none of which were further identified). On
Saturday mornings, meetings took place in the large conference
or interrogation room. At one of these meetings (not further
identified) four individuals, three of whom were connected
with the function of the building (not further identified)
conducted either negotiations or a debriefing that involved
the sale of information on troop movements, equipment,
supplies, and supply movements (none of which were further
identified). A key operation was being setup which was some
kind of "a mini force movement, mini invasion or force
movement, interdictory type movement" (not further identified)
involving a large ship (not further identified).
The best way to surreptitiously attack this building was
to drill the roof over the meeting room without drilling all
the way through and plant a listening device. The roof area
was not under surveillance by television cameras.
Source provided no further amplifying information
concerning SUBJECT during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I is a drawing provided by
Source.
AGENT'S NOTES: Information provided by Source relevant to
descriptions of rooms or offices may be accurate independent
of their locations within buildings. Source is sometimes
unable to accurately relate the position of rooms within
buildings, or the position of a building within a group of
buildings, due to the nature of his access to a targeted area.
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