CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - HU-1069/8404/01

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• Publication Date: July 3, 1984
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SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1069/8404/01 (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 210930 March 1984, source #01 was interviewed
by monitor #66 concerning the location of an individual identified as
William F. Buckley. The project 8404 sponsor had provided a
photograph of Buckley (see Incl 1).
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was provided a
coordinate and a designated time and asked to focus his attention on
the events he perceived. Source was not told of suspected
activities. No other identifying data was provided to source. All
other information was withheld for use as feedback and cuing for
possible subsequent interviews.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor.
This report related the salient points of the interview. Attached to
the report were drawings provided.by the Source (see Incl 3).
Association with the below named individual and Military Intelligence
is CONFIDENTIAL.
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TRANSCRIPT HU-1069/8404/01
#66: This will be a Center Lane Interview for 3/21/84,
time is 9:32 A.M. We now at plus 10 minutes. We
have reduced voltages as would be expected at this
point. We're just about ready to begin. All right
now, continue to relax, continue to relax and
concentrate solely and completely on the area,
33 degrees 53 minutes 54 seconds north
35 degrees 28 minutes 25 seconds east
Focusing on this point 16 March 1984.
33 degrees 53 minutes 54 seconds north
35 degrees 28 minutes 25 seconds east
on 16 March 1984 and describe your perception to me.
#01: Very large... hesitate to call it a building, it's
like a warehouse or a factory building. There's a
lot of clutter. There's odd shapes all around it.
#66: And your perspective as you observe this?
#01: Ah 800 feet top right corner looking down.
#66: Characterize the area surrounding this building
that you found.
#01: See a long narrow, narrow ribbons of concrete, a
lot of dirt, open and cluttered at the same time.
Give me a second.
#66: I will wait. We're now at plus 16 minutes and we
have voltage reversal, holding at 20 microvolts
reversal.
#01: Fences within fences, buildings ..... area off to the
side is ..... some form of ah..raised earth and clay,
construct (bumps) (mumble)
#66: The buildings in this area, what's their general
type of construction and coloring?
#01: .....Cinder block, tan, very simplistic.
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#66: All right let's move from this point on 16 March
84, let's move in time to our second location which
is a specific building near where you are now. Are
you ready?
#66: All right, I will wait. All right, move now from
this area to the front ground level of the building
known as the Menara Building, to the front of, on
the ground, the Menara Building. Move now to the
Menara Building, in front of, on the ground, the
Menara Building and describe the Menara Building to
me.
#01: It's (mumble) under ah projection, flat, and
there's some curve to it, ah..portico type entry,
Seems to appears to be two levels of glass,
vertical lines.
#66: Describe your position as you observe this.
#01: Standing on a wide walk, concrete.
#66: All right, back away from the front of the Menara
Building, 50 feet, back away from it, 50 feet from
the front and looking back, and describe the Menara
Building to me.
#01: ...Ah I get an impression that I'm seeing a...a
rather wide area in front, that's not really as
wide as the entire building, the building's much
wider behind the front section, ah...like a..short
end of a "T" shape.
#66: There are many buildings in this area, we wish
you'd focus exclusively on the Menara Building, the
building called the Menara Building and describe
the front of it to me.
#01: Protective roof overhang,... see "L" shapes in the
front,... front, horizontal or linear pattern.
...See some kind of a star shape,...kind of like a
cross, an equal cross. Getting an impression of
vertical lines, black vertical lines.
#66: Okay, let's get you up off the ground. Go ahead
and float up off the air so that you're not having
to look at the building from the ground, float up
in the air and look directly at the front of it and
describe it to me..
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#01: .......Still keep getting impression of large areas
of black glass,.... squares.
#66: Continue to let the image resolve.
#01: ..Tall section of it, I guess, jutting out, ah like
comes out of the middle of the building. ......
Just keep getting, I'll put it in straight terms
here, ..squares reflective surface, like metallic
.or black glass, reminded of shields, term shields.
#66: Okay, how many stories do we have, how tall is this
building?
#66: Tell me about your difficulty, if you're having
difficulty.
#01: I want to look put it in stories and I can't.
#66: Okay, tall, short, multi story, single story.
#01: ....... Multi story 4, 5 floors, but I keep wanting
to make it shorter. I think it has something to do
with the design characteristic, that exterior gives
an impression of stories due to design, but it's
not in actuality what it contains.
#66: Okay, we have a multi story building with
reflective glass squares. It would appear to be
adequate.
#01: It's got a flat roof, there's like protrudences,
there's some kind of small nodular type things in
the roof.
#66: Okay. There is a, on these places where the
reflective glass are, on these multi story
buildings, there's something that's really unique
that would help me feel better about this on the,
ah..you know dealing with the glass and these front
portions, see if you can focus on that and tell me
what is kind of unique and different about these.
#01: ..........Getting ah....it's almost ah...well it's
an impression of girders with ah, I keep getting a
cross or "L" shape pattern mixed with that. I get
ah...like I'm looking at the butra stata on a strip
of concrete.
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#66: Okay. I don't want to waste anymore time here.
Things that I reviewed some pictures of this
building and the things that I see with. my eyes may
not be the same things.you're perceiving. We need
now to examine this particular time window on the
16 March 84, so I want you to find yourself a
comfortable place to observe the front area of the
building and tell me when you're ready. .........
Now at plus 27 minutes real time. All right from
your position of observation, focus your attention
on 0800 hours, on or about 0800 hours, 16 March 84,
local time on or about 16th, 8 o'clock in the
morning on or about 8 o'clock in the morning on 16
March, 1984. Describe your perceptions to me.
#01: ................I see ah..(mumble) couple cars
parked, like off to the side. ..... There's .....
see someone coming out of the building with a ....
leather case ..... turn left.
#66: Stop. Describe person with leather case.
#01: Short, 5' 4",hair heavily tinted silver, ah..a
little on the heavy side, heavy I want to say
mustache or bushy, with very bushy mustache,
wearing a dark gray overcoat, ....age approximately
51, or 52..glasses.
#66: Okay, remember him and continue.
#01: Ah ..... see someone get out of a car and talking.
See car door being opened for him. He gets in the
car, person gets in the car behind him. They drive
away. I don't see any ah, don't see any evidence
of ..... see three people in peripheral... standing
off to side ..... one across the street, two of them
in front of building. Bracketing car, other than
that, I don't see anything else.
#66: Okay. Tell me about the car. Describe the car to
me.
#01: .........Compact size, four door,...well, let's
not, let's say it's full size, because it's a
little larger than compact, but not as large as one
of our full size cars. It's black, it's gray
interior. Ah....fairly new, but not really of
modern design.
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#66: Okay. Let's focus on the individual, seems to come
out of the building and then taken to the car.
Going back to him, go ahead on the 16 March at 8
o'clock in the morning.
#01: Okay. He's ah...give me a second, I'll try to get
Closer.
#66: We are now at plus 33 minutes and we have a voltage
reversal.
#01: He's not expecting to meet these people, he's kind
of surprised at it. Ah ..... strong feeling of
applied, implied force, but very subtly done.
#66: All right. Do whatever you have to do for the next
few minutes to be able to identify this person, to
know him, to remember him, to lock him in. And
when you're ready let me know. All right, now I'm
holding a 8" by 10" glossy picture of this
individual right now, I have my hand on it right
now, okay? I want you to move to present time,
right now, 21 March 1984, describe this person's
location to me.
#01: ........Older building, three floors, steep
roof,...dingy looking on the outside. It's like
aged stone, see variant sizes of stone .... tall
windows, narrow tall windows,.. large iron fence
around it,.... middle of city, see a drive through,
like an arch. You could actually drive inside the
portico of the building,... large wrought iron gates
in the arch.
#66: Excuse me. How far are we from the other location?
#01: ..Rough estimate, 8 blocks, 10 blocks maybe, 1
mile.
#66: All right, fine. Go back and describe to me more
about this place with the fence around it and so
forth.
#01: ....Ah, it's government building, official
government building,...no name on the outside,
however, just ah ..address numbers. Ah...four
layers of steps going up to entry,...rounded edges
on the entry way, stone work on the entry way, both
sides ah...jutting pieces of stone coming out of
the doors, reddish or brown color, some
discoloration, like what occurs with copper exposed
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to weather. Heavy doors, the doors are...dark,
very, very dark green or very, very dark something,
earth color, double doors, wood. Ah...building
shape .... ah..... entry portion that juts out from
the building, maybe 15 feet, perhaps 35 feet wide
entry section. Building's narrow in depth, long in
width.
#66: All right, you can sketch all this for me. Let's
go on in the building and look around for him and
tell me the status of what's going on in there.
#01: .......Ah..see him in a white room, bed, table,
chair. ...... He's ah...stripped except for pants
no belt and tee shirt, ...unshaven, very bright
room. ..And he's laying his back with his arm
across his face. No windows, it's an interior room.
#66: Okay, I want to come back to him in a minute, but I
want you to look around inside the building here,
and tell me what's going on in and around this area.
#01: .........Apparently this area that he's in is part
of a...whole linear section of the building and
it's a--
#66: --I'm sorry, say again, we didn't understand.
#01: --The area he's in is part of a wing or section of
the building.
#66: Thank you.
#01: It's sectioned off from the rest of the building.
See a ah..two guards at the door..that leads to
this wing. There's a double rise of steps that
required to be climbed to get to the wing section.
...Ah once in the wing section, there's other steps
that go down one level and up one level, but it's
only reachable from the second floor. It's a
communications area, ah ready room type place.
......A big gathering area and...four or five white
rooms like this guy is in, ....offices. It's
really a very dingy building. ..... dark, lot's of
wood, wood design over stuff. ...All the hallways
incidentally are on the outside walls.
#66: All right, now in any of these other white rooms
that are similar to the one that our gentleman is
in, are any of these other rooms occupied, is he
alone in this place?
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#01: .........One of the rooms is occupied. Ah...much
younger man, ....either late teens- or early
twenties, suspect early twenties.
#66: All right, let's move back now to the silver
haired, 50 year old man that we found before. All
right I want to know, by contacting him, by moving
close to him, what was the reason that he was
brought here? What did he know to be the reason he
was brought here?
#01: ............ Ah..get an impression that he's a
business man, that ah.... he's been told he was
stealing something and he doesn't understand that,
because he wasn't. ....... Ah...trying to make a
deal with him and he doesn't even understand the
deal. ..... Ah... a side impression is that they
have gone through all his papers and documents. He
really hasn't stolen anything, he really didn't
take anything. ....And ah...it's slight, it's
slight guilt feeling, or like he's done something
that he shouldn't. ........ I can't associate him
with anything that he's done wrong however....
#66: All right, ah..I want to end now, but I need for
you to understand that I need a sketch and drawing
of the place that he's in. And I need you to
acquaint yourself with him so that we can go back
and talk to him later on. I will wait while you do
these things.
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NAME OF SUBIECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
a. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMbOI OR FILE NUMBER
PROJECT FRANCIS
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d. REPOR OF F ^r
1n TSMarch 1984, Source 01 was interviewed concerning the
events that occurred on or about 0800, 16 March 1984, at the
Menara Building; Beirut, Lebanon, and the whereabouts of
SUBJECT. Source stated in substance as follows:
At approximately 0800, 16 March 1984 an individual that
matched SUBJECT' s description exited the Menara Building
carrying a leather case. Source described the individual as
follows:
Age: approximately 52
Height: 51411
Hair: thick, heavily silver tinted
Dress: wearing a dark gray overcoat
Glasses: yes
Remarks: had a very bushy mustache
SUBJECT was approached by a man who got out of a car. The man
talked to SUBJECT and then they got into the car together.
There were three other unidentified people in the peripheral,
bracketing the car. One was across the street and two were in
front of the building. These people applied force very subtly
to get SUBJECT to enter the car. The car may have been black
with a gray, interior. It was larger than a compact but
smaller than an American full size car. It had four doors and
was fairly new "but not really of modern design" (not further
identified).
SUBJECT's location on 21 March 1984 was in an older
building approximately one mile (not further identified) from
the Menara Building. The building, an official government
building (not further identified), was three stories high,
made of stone, gray and "dingy" looking, with tall narrow
windows. Around the building was a large iron fence with
large wrought iron gates. There was a "drive through," like
an arch in the building, so it was possible to actually drive
through the portico of the building. There were four layers
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of steps going tap to the entry. There was rounded stone work
on both sides of the-entryway, which were reddish brown "like
what happens with copper exposed to weather". There were
heavy dark earth colored, wood doors. The entry portion of
the building extended ("I juts out") 15 feet from the building
and was approximately 35 feet wide. The building was narrow
in depth and long in width. Source provided a sketch of the
of the building and a sketch of the front of the building
which are attached as EXHIBIT I.
SUBJECT was held in a wing of- the building in a
communications area ready room type place (not further
identified). This was a white windowless interior room
accessible only from the second floor. The wing was "dingy"
with lots of dark wood and wood design. All the hallways were
on the outside walls. There were two guards at the door that
lead to this wing. There were other similar white rooms in
the area and in one of these was a man in his early twenties
(not further identified).
SUBJECT was unshaven. HE was stripped except for a tee
shirt and pants, no belt. Subject felt guilty as if HE had
done something HE should not have. The people who had
captured HIM had gone through all his papers and documents.
HE was told that HE had stolen something (not further
identified). HE did not understand that because HE had not
stolen anything. The people who captured HIM were trying to
make a deal with HIM but HE"did not understand the deal.
Source was unable to provide any further information
concerning SUBJECT during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I are drawings provided by
Source.
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