CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - HU-1071/8404/63

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Approved For Release 200$/E:G '0788R001900560001-1 IAGPA-F-SD 05 July 1984 MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1071/8404/63 (U) 1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 280940 March 1984, source #63 was interviewed by monitor #66 in an attempt to verify the suspected location of an individual identified as William F. Buckley. The project 8404 sponsor had provided an overhead photograph of the suspected building, a map of the area, and a photograph of Buckley (see Incl 1). 2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was initially shown the map provided by the sponsor and asked to decribe his perceptions of the area specified. No other identifying data was provided to source at the time of the interview. After the interview, source was shown the overhead photograph and a picture of William F. Buckley. All other intelligence information was withheld for use as feedback and cuing for possible subsequent interviews. 3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor. This report related the salient points of the interview. Attached to the report was an overhead photograph depicting the suspected location of Buckley and an area of interest to source (see Incl 3). Association with the below named individual and Military Intelligence is CONFIDENTIAL. SG1J 3 Incl as OPS/TNG Officer NOTE: Information of immediate operational value was provided to sponsor immediately, or as soon as possible, after the interview. CLASSIFIED BY: CDR, INSCOM r ; 9a :.1 Ai f,. CL: OADR COTEk )LANE NOT RELEA ABLE T'O FOi EICI? ?IiTIOi t~L,^~ ,Approvei~L~560001-1 t. I Approved For Release 200SEG 196T0788R001900560001-1 #63: Right. Tangible---people, echoey sounds, .... tangibles---person. #66: Break. #63: Break. #66: Stage 4 matrix--person. #63: Stage 2, dimensional--AI--AI--TI--AOL, (mumble) person, stage 2--is gray blond, tangible---is hair, dimensional ----is 47 to 50 years. ......... Dimensional ----- is 5' 10", ....dimensional--is aged, tangible---is face, stage 2---is wrinkled, tangible---is straight hair, ...EI---is concerned, kind face, EI--is worried, ......... #66: Bilo break. Let's go ahead and push the Al, EI and I, on person described. #63: Okay. Tangible---is male, I'll put that down. .... ......AI--(mumble), strange feelings, EI---is confused, a narrative--it feels like he's where he's supposed to be or where he used to be, but he doesn't want to be there anymore. It's like, you know, I'm right now where I'm supposed to be and this is where I work, but then if I decided I didn't want to work here anymore, I wanted to leave, you wouldn't let me, that sort of thing. #66: He's not comfortable where ever he is and wants to go away, but there's something familiar about it as well. #63: Um, um. #66: Okay. Declare confusion break, and declare that as confusion. #63: Trapped in his home environment is a good way of putting it. #66: All right, very good. Some I type descriptives (mumble). #63: Kind, intelligent, ....AOL break--head of something. #66: Okay, you declared that as AOLs, is it visual or what kind of AOL is it? Approved For Release 2003/09/09: CIA-FS E"C" >~~9'd'~60001-1 Approved For Release 2&E C f R lEDP6-00788R001900560001-1 #63: Well, it's verbal, I can look through the AOL. #66: Okay, those an AOL signal --- ? # 63: Yeah, sort of. It's an AOL in that it's the best way I could describe the feeling that I have and feelings are harder to describe sometimes. #63: AOL break ---- I'm writing a novel over here, so take a break for a minute. It's like he's the director of some big laboratory and he comes across some amazing discovery and somebody comes in and says "Okay, we're going to take this major discovery and use it for our purposes" and he doesn't want to and they say, "yes you are" and they trap him in that situation. #66: Okay. #66: So, that's very good. But see if you can summarize, you have the AOL, analytical overlay from many inputs that you have, that this guy's, a guy in charge of something. #63: Um, um #66: And it is trapped in his present circumstances have something to do with the fact that he was in charge of something? Is there anything else there? #63: I'm seeing him white. #66: Is this AOL? #63: No, this is real, white smock like or something. #66: Tangible? #63: Um, um. Intangible --- is the laboratory feeling. #66: Okay, are these visuals? #63: No. #66: Okay. Okay, so that would be dress is described as being some white type garb? Approved For Release 2003/09/09: CIA-VgPf&rEPO 60001-1 Approved For Release 20 fQ2 E9G1RE'0788R00i900560001-1 #63: Um, um. #66: Intangible --- laboratory feeling to that? Okay. Okay, I'd like, break, I'd like to move away from person, and continue to move through the building and see what else comes up. #63: Okay. #66: I don't know if it's necessary for you to objectify something to get you away from the person and continue on. Okay. #63: I'll just write building down here. #66: Okay. #63: AOL break----this is further continuation of my novel, he's got a daughter and she's trapped in it too. #66: This big AOL (mumble) involved a daughter that's trapped? #63: Um, um. #63: AOL signal---classroom type environment. #66: The building? #63: Um, um. And what that means is that it's not necessarily a classroom, but that's similar environment. #66: All right. #63: ...... .. .............. .........Stage 2 blue and black, tangibles ---knobs. #66: Say what? #63: Knobs. Sketch ................ tangibles austere(sp) environment. .............. #66: Take a break. Okay, I've watched you very carefully, watched your behavior very carefully, walking your objectifier across your matrix and having you find nothing and I wanted you to know that it's okay to find nothing. #63: Um, um. Approved For Release 2003/09/09: CIA-n/ ?60001-1 7 Approved For Release 20SOF- 4CblRE9T00788R001900560001-1 #66: Okay, so at this point, I now wish you to summarize the cuing question. #63: Okay. #66: The question is items of intelligence interest in the building. I want you to summarize the cuing question and then I want to take a break to go the the bathroom and then I want to re-address the area again. #63: Okay, inside building, this is a person of interest. Person is 47, 50 years old. That's pretty analytical isn't it? 5" 10" height, aged, wrinkled face. #66: Those dimensionals are good and it might be nice to say middle aged, average height. #63: Um, um. Gray-blond hair, hair, h-a-r-e, hair, middle aged. #66: That's just my suggestion, put those in () or something.. #63: Average height. #66: Somewhere in there put male. #63: Male. Okay, let's see. Person is worried, confused, feels trapped in his environment. Person is intelligent. Person is in charge of something which has a laboratory type feeling. #66: Why don't you look back at your data. When you said to me before, I think, and I want to talk about this with you, because I'm wondering if you put things together here, the way you said that. He's in charge of something and this something has led him to be trapped by his own circumstances, I thought that's what you said before. #63: Um, um. #66: The laboratory type feeling, if you'll look at your charts, I think goes as a, part of your AOL senario, and that you find him now to be dressed in white, a white garb of some kind. So now reread that statement and'-see if that's an accurate extract of what you said, because I'm confused. Approved For Release 2003/09/09: CIA-_P7Q941~560001-1 Approved For Release 2c O 99 _00788R001900560001-1 #63: Yeah, okay, I got person in charge of something which has a laboratory type feeling and that's not necessarily right, so I'll change that. Person is in charge of something which has caused him to feel trapped in his situation. #66: This is very difficult and I want to make sure you extracted from the way it came out of the session. #63: Um, um. And ah, appears to be dressed in white and has lab feeling. #66: Okay. I think as a tangible, you can say, is dressed in some sort of white. #63: Okay. #66: Would you agree with that? #63: Um, um. #66: A tangible is thing, it is that way. This white thing that he's dressed in has a laboratory (mumble). I think that's what you mean. #63: Yeah, he dressed in something white, which has a laboratory feeling. #66: Okay, what else do we know about this person looking down through your (mumble)? #63: Gray-blond hair, 47 to 50 years, 5" 10", aged, wrinkles, straight hair, gray-blond hair, straight, kind face, aged, wrinkled face, kind face. He had strange feelings or I had strange feelings about his feelings, he concerned, worried, confused. #66: Don't play with your microphone while you talk, you mess up the recording. #63: All right. He's concerned, worried and confused. #63: Trapped in his own environment, head of something, that's it. We've got that all down. #66: Okay, moving then against the original cuing Approved For Release 2003/09/09 : CIASFECVR 560001-1 Approved For Release 2 1Ec R I iPT00788R001900560001-1 question which is things is interest in the building, you had a person of interest, now in summary is there anything else of interest? #63: I didn't find anything. #66: Okay. #63: When I first popped into the building, I had a confusion break of a piece of equipment and a person. And I did have the two together, I had the person, you know, geshtalt wise, the person located right beside the piece of equipment and perhaps this man is discovered or his expertise is that piece of equipment. #66: You associate it in someway, this piece of equipment? #63: Yeah. #66: Okay. #63: But, what I went for building, instead of wandering all through there and I didn't find anything of interest. #66: All right. #63: Nothing came up. #66: Let's take a break here and then I want to go back and ask questions in couple minutes. #63: Okay. #66: We've had a change of heart, we're going to call this an end and then we're going to come back and do an interview a little bit later on and pick up some more information. #66: Having declared an end now, I want to give you some feedback as well as ask you for some verifying information, because the further data that I have to ask you about will not be disclosed here. The first thing I want to show you is the map, the photograph of the area that I have and of course I want to know if you have warm and fuzzy feelings about you went to the right place and so forth and so on. Okay, now on the map the original site, as I point here, the original site would this and across the street would be the site of interest. As you see here's Approved For Release 2003/09/09: CIA-R@8Rq;>~~~.,. 1 0001-1 in (v, Approved For Release EG :1Ei6-OO788ROOl 900560001-1 the main street here, okay, we have to put this direction. Here's the main here and between these two buildings runs another street, so I put you on the original site and then I asked you to look across the street to this. Now as you look at this picture, do you have the feeling that this was appropriate? Looking across the street would have been this street that runs between them. #63: Um, um. Well, did you see that, that looks like the Washington Monument, it's got trees all round it. May want to call this street. #66: I don't know what that is. #63: Just a little bit part of the edge, you can see that is Washington Monument. #66: A towering thing. #63: Um, um #66: I think that there are, as you can see the shadows, these are all landscaping trees all around the bottom. #63: And there's a park environment right here too. And that's the open area perhaps that I was describing. All I have to say is, I think that was on the site. #66: Okay. #63: I've gotten to the point now, if you tell me to go somewhere, I believe that's where I am. #66: Um, um. Okay, now I want to ask you the same kind of question. I've got another picture here and this is again, I looking to say, have you, do you get a warm and fuzzy, do you get, "Oh, I feel good about that type" or "No, I don't feel good about that", from another perspective? Here's another picture I want to show you and see if you have a feeling about this picture. #63: Yeah, I d #66: You do what? #63: I do have a good feeling about it. Approved For Release 2003/09/09: CIA- DP tt7p, 5 Approved For Release 2003/ Lkl 0~788R001900560001-1 #66: Okay, I'll show you a picture of a person and you have a good feeling about that picture? #63: Um, um and he's got the gray-blond straight hair. He's got kind eyes that wrinkles. If you ask me how old he is, I'd say 47 to 50 years old by looking at him from the picture. #66: So you have a good feeling about the picture? #63: Um, um. #66: Okay. Good, we'll call that an end now. #63: Before you end that, I am certain that I went over here. Now, I'm not saying he's in there when you started talking about the building of interest. I guess somehow I realized this couldn't be the building of interest and I went back over to here, but you can see there's a circular drive or something, down around that and everything, I'm certain that I was there. #66: While I was worrying what circles. Well, as you and I have worked before, sometimes I put you on a site and you look out at the horizon from the site, and so I have to do movement exercises. #63: But if I was there, which I'm certain I am, I know that I could have been there too. #66: Yes, I understand. The morass of understanding of how this thing works, we still aren't too sure about, and that's why having an address would have been much better. The point being is that we were looking for this man and he appears to be in the building of interest. 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L/ I % Is.. I aft Approved Fo "lease 2003/09/09 : CIA-RDP96-0078 1900560001-1 _AGEN'RE?PRT For use of this form, seo FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. I, NAME Of SUBJECT OR TITLE Of INCIDENT DATE SUBMITTED 3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR PILE NUMBER On 28 March 1984, Source'IS-63 was interviewed in an attempt to verify the suspected location of SUBJECT. Source stated substantially as follows: Source was unable to verify the suspected location of SUBJECT. SUBJECT was in an area other than the suspected building. At the conclusion of the interview Source was shown an overhead photograph of the suspected location. Source indicated SUBJECT was most likely located in and/or around a tower-like structure shown in the upper right of the overhead photograph (see EXHIBIT I). Source provided no further amplifying information on the location of SUBJECT during this interview. 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