MINUTES OF THE DOD GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE MEETING, 27 NOVEMBER 1979

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• Publication Date: November 27, 1979
• Content Type: NOTES

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DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.G. 20301
S-1168/DT-1
Minutes of the DoD Grill Flame Committee Meeting, 27 November 1979
1. (U) The meeting was held in DIA/DT Conference room, 0930,
27 November 1979.
2. (U) Attendees (see enclosure'l).
3. (U) The minutes of the 27 November meeting were approved as written.
SG1J 4. (U) It was noted that due to a change in her
position, will no longer he able to serve as a recorder for the committee.
5. (U) The next meeting for the committee-was established for 10 January
1980. ,
SG1J 6. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) informed the group that the Gale report
had not been completed but Mr. Gale had agreed to brief the group when
SG1,J it is com leted. The best estimate for this was in a couple of weeks.
and Dr. Vorona will be in contact with Mr. Gale and will
convene a meeting of the working group immediately upon notice that the
Gale report is ready to be briefed.
7. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) - questioned the substantive expertise of
the Gale Committee. It was suggested that briefing the Grill Flame
Working Group first would allow any erroneous or misleading statements
to be removed prior to it being presented to higher level DoD officials.
The workin}: group was in full agreement with that position.
8. (S/N0F0RN/ORCON) Major Stoner then made several points concerning
the Grill Flame Steering Group meeting held earlier this month. The
meeting was only for about 20 minutes and they agreed to not address
any substantive issues until the Gale report is completed.
9. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) Major Watt briefed the group on INSCOM training and
operational application of the remote viewing phenomenon. The program
development, mission, and some of the recent results were discussed.
SG1I 10. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) expressed his interest in finding a medical
common denominator for persons displaying marked ability in remote view-
ing. A contractor, Lovelace Medical Foundation, is available to interpret
the medical data.
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.13. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) Mai Perry Towles stated that within the Gri-ll. Flame
area there is 'a need for one central oversight authority in the DoD with
responsibility for all legal, medical, R&D and intelligence issues. It
was suggested that DIA should fill that position..
14. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) Major Stoner informed the group that the Army is
developing a new security protection for Grill Flame. data_
15. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) asked the group if- ny one had
attempted to correlate psychic functioning with time of day. Recent
research indicates that there is a 90 minute cycle of brain activity.
Primary functioning is believed to shift from the left brain to the
right brain and back on a 90 minute cycle.
16. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) It was stated that the Grill Flame Working Group
should accept the responsibility for the oversight of Dot} and Intel-
ligence Community activities. A letter should be composed by the Chairman
of the group and sent to each member informing the member and his Agency of
the responsibility of the group. In addition, all other DoD and Intel-
ligence Community agencies should be informed of the working group's
acceptance of the technical oversight responsibility.
17. (S/NOFORN/ORCON) The following motion was made, seconded and
approved:
a. Dr. Vorona is to be asked to contact Mr. Gale and inform him of
the working group's desire and need to see and be briefed on the Gale
Committee's report prior to it being given to any other party or group.
b. It is felt that to do otherwise would be extremely hazardous
as this group represents the collective expertise, experience and back-
ground of the entire DoD and Intelligence Community.
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18. (S/NFORN/ORCON) The discussions described in points 16 and 17 took
place while the committee chairman was not present.. Consultation with
him reveals that his view of the Committee's goal and function is not
one of oversight but one of coordination and liaison. All committee
members are individually responsible for the oversight of their pro-
grams and for keeping their command hi erarciyinformed on all aspects of
their program. The committee's primary functions are to provide a forum,
for the discussion of research programs, to coordinate research goals,
to seek solutions to common problems and to permit the exchange of
ideas and information.
19. (U) The meeting was ajourned at 1500.
4 Enclosures
1. List of Attendees (U)
2. CIA/PA ltr, 30 Nov 79 (U)
3. Viewing Magnetic Field
Report (U)
4. Memo, 21 Sep 79 (S/NOFORN/
NO CONTRACT)
JACK VORONA
Chairman, Grill Flame
Comiiii ttee
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Billy Z. Jenkins
Charles Carter
Bill Johnson
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