THREE-DAY WORK CONFERENCE - AMSAA (8, 9 AND 12 MARCH 1979)

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• Publication Date: March 15, 1979
• Content Type: MFR

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DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND
FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND 20755
SUBJECT: Three-Day Work Conference - AMSAA (8, 9 and 12 March 1979)
1. (U) Purpose: This MFR outlines the significant topics that were
discussed during the three-day conference hosted by AMSAA. The conference
was scheduled to "iron out" difficulties that had arisen due to the recent
decision by the Army General Counsel's (AGC) Office that all Army activities
under Project GRILL FLAME must comply with HEW guidelines and AR 70-25.
2. (U) Following individuals were present (as indicated)
work conference:
during the
John Kramar - AMSAA
Lynne Taylor - AMSAA
Scott Phillips - AMSAA (Thursday and Friday only)
COL
Rapmund - Director, Walter Reed Army Institute
of Research
MAJ
MAJ
LT
Stoner - OACSI (Thursday and Friday only)
Watt - INSCOM
Atwater - INSCOM (Monday only)
3.
(U)
John Kramar served as Host for the conference. Mr. Kramar briefly
updated everyone on the meeting between Dr. LaBerge (Under Secretary of the
Army), Mr. Kramar, and Dr. O.G. Villard of SRI. Dr. Villard felt that
members of the SRI Technical Oversight Committee were a bit uneasy with
their role on the committee because they were all engineers and, as a result,
had done very little in the way of reviewing material put forth by Puthoff
and Targ. He felt that committee members were unqualified and that member-
ship should consist of medical personnel, including a psychologist.
4. (S-ORCON) The bulk of the time was devoted towards developing a
Remote Viewing protocol that could be presented to the Surgeon General and
Army General Counsel (See Inclosure 1). The protocol that was developed
ARMY review(s) completed.
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depicts only the involvement of AMSAA and that was done at my request.
Leaving INSCOM out of the protocol eliminates one more security problem.
5. (S-ORCON) I raised the question of why INSCOM's portion of the
GRILL FLAME Project had to come under HEW and AR 70-25 guidelines since
we were not in the R&D business but were task oriented and in the
applications business. All agreed that this was a reasonable position
and COL Rapmund stated that he would raise the issue with the OSG. In
fact, COL Rapmund provided the following outline as he perceived INSCOM's
role in GRILL FLAME:
a. Aimed at Real World Targets and Applications.
b. Involves only INSCOM personnel (military/civilian).
c. All professional intelligence personnel.
And, that it could be summed up this way:
TASK - assigned.
It has been proven it can be done.
We found people to do the job.
Want to send them for training.
Carry out the MISSION!
6. (U) Finally, it was agreed that if protocol is accepted as a "No
Risk" protocol and further determined that we do not have to follow the
guidelines of EXO 12036, HEW, and AR 70-25, we must check with the OSG
before making any significant changes to the physical environment of our
respective protocols, i.e. If we wanted to use submarines as the remote
viewing room, this could place the remote viewer in a very stressful
situation.
7. (S-ORCON) AMSAA GRILL FLAME personnel spent some time with me, in
private early-morning sessions, outlining progress their program has made.
Of considerable interest was the sessions they have done with grid
coordinates. AMSAA personnel also viewed our initial work and made
several recommendations which should help improve our product.
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8. (U) AMSAA and INSCOM GRILL FLAME personnel decided to meet monthly
(at prearranged time) to exchange ideas and information. This practice
should insure that we are kept current on the latest developments from
the Army R&D community.
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MURRAY B. WATT
Major, MI
INSCOM Project Manager
GRILL FLAME
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