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Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : C 00010001-8 NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN -NATIONALS ORCON GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH 051630Z JUL 78 REVIEW ON: WI70 e4Y-y. Approved For Release 200oivoiu . - 002100010001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08 TIME TRANSCRIPT 100010001-8 REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-86 #66: This will be a remote viewing session for 2300 hours, 24 April 1980. PAUSE Relax nd oncentrate. Relax and focus your attention on buildirjg I Relax and concentrate; focus your attention on build! PAUSE Go to building I. Explore building I and report your per- ceptions to me. PAUSE +08 #10.5: I'm next to the pool looking into little Overhang on two sides +09 hold up by posts. in the big part..... .... ........ +11 PAUSE I'm in like a utility room. I didn't plan on coming hero. It's got something dark in the middle of it. Like a auxiliary generator, or something. Let me go back to the pool and go in another direction. PAUSE +14 I can see a single sleeping form. I feel like I'm in a living room type area. Got a feeling of nice carpet. Feeling of a good size picture window with a. round low toffee table.. Something big on it....big and round like a tall potted plant. I, I, can see past it and out in the front walk. Trying to find this guy........... ....he's in the middle "E" leg4...he's in the middle leg. #66:' To whom are you referring? +16 #10.5: Uh...s1eeping form. Approved For Release 2000/08/08: CIA- 010001-8 4a,a,?4..1,141,,,,,,Athudramiz,,;-tmal,,,w-tz,,,,taflidigaitfrar,,v2=fortsterfen*rowietaysmaltazilotstaeitd:1,,,AtqatsolPtaitswitttigittlfetitl Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100010001-8 +18 #10.5: +20 #66: +22 #10.5: +24 I'm in a walk-in closet this room. I don't- think he's a hostage. PAUSE He a? ? ? 6 ? ? * 0 Large bedroom, nice bed ...... ..something at the headboard feel like something dipping on one side (phonetic)...... something at the headboard that looks like _dried wheat.... must be dried wheat. Stalks of wheat...lines like that..... . PAUSE Tell me more about the sleeping form. White shirt,- dark pants, clothed.....on the. bed....... When you told me that I saw a feeling of a- -rifle leaning against the bed's head along side the bed on the floor....... . PAUSE . PAUSE ........billeted here. PAUSE He's billeted here. #10.5: Somewhere near here.......I can see it through woods...?. Can see the ['Ouse through woods.....I'm -outside the house, and I have a feeling of a gun crew....can see the house in the background through trees. But, I have a definite sandbag low half-moon sandbag skirt that's not that's not a-dug position.... +25 It's on a tripod. ? It's part of this crew. But, the weapon points away from the house. I think I'm outside the big end. Like the pool is on the ether side I think it points on farther that way. ? #66: Tell me about he crew. PAUSE +26 - #10.5: Their position is. in a concave curve in the woodline a little... toodline in there.....right in there....-maybe only 20 or so..... feet back in.....keep seeing this thing.. ..... . PAUSE Approved For Release 2000 2100010001-8 /718t?.14F8/08 : -R P296-0 788R00 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA- DP96-00788R002100010001-8 +26 #10.5: #66: +30 #10.5: +32- #10.5: +33 +34 +36_ +36 There are...I think two on the gun. May be several more back in the, house. I see them (mumbling) cone (phonetic) . to the gun. They come around the right side of the building .......they go out of the building- by the pool somewhere. Not the front of the building. They come out of the building by the pool and walk around to the left and then into the woods. It's only about 50 feet. PAUSE Focus your attention back on the building again. Search through the building and determine if there are hostages there at this time. ? PAUSE Let me relax_ a while and go back and .... .. PAUSE I think there have been there are not keep looking to fill empty rooms with hodgepodge of people but then their rooms go empty again. One room in. particular......please show it to. me again the room is off the living room on the right, in the front. Go right across the living room....go into the big back part..'s like it overlooks the pool in room in particular that I want. It's empty now. But, I want to have a clutter of mattresses and sheets and clothes all over. I have a feeling it was about master bedroom size, but it had everything taken out of it that was in there to make maximum sleeping room. Yes, I'm sure of it now....has a window on the left side of it which I think overlooks the patio area. I can see the right roe-F....light reflects about left out there....... PAUSE That's still good....,I'm still looking around. When I asked wfiero did the people go that were here.:.-. The areahaving the four identical house structures came to mind. As though it was a dotted line. Four of them that went right out of this window and across the pool in that direction. It was like I could see them far on the other side of the compound. I have no idea where I am now, but way.over in hiding four regular white blotches of roof as though who had been here...... was taken over there. ......but some time ago. Maybe several days. #66: I have no further questions about the target at this time. If there is anything you would like to add, please do so now. Approved For Release 2000/08/08: 00010001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100010001-8 #10.5: No. #66: All right fine. Take a big deep breath and move your arms, move your legs and prepare to draw those perceptions that you've had. PAUSE +40 - #10.5: 1 keep getting a when I- first started this session I had a feeling of a sandbagged window...but it had something funny sticking out over the sandbag....and I was just letting go.: I wasn't even thinking about it again. I just kept letting go and get ready to come back and I got it again.. Some kind of a building face wall. The thing that sticks out of the window, but over the bags is When I first saw it I thought it resembled a jirehose nozzle. had a funny fluting on the end of it. goes out and it gets bigger and it curves +42 Where I-think this thing is: is near my touch down in the back of the. building to the left of the pool. Pm still there, and I'm turning. around- to look for people............. .......... no!, that's it. #66: Ok. Let's draw. #10.5: Ok. I had a feeling that I was on I_ was right at the back corner of the building and there was some sort of a little overhang on the reof......enough to be. like a covered - walkway. But, it was held up by posts. Ok. It went down. There might even be posts here along this part.....real patio type flair, you know. Pool is here....first I didn't think there was any water in the pool, ok. All right...then like that was the corner of the structure. Went that way. Ok. So here was 1. This was my entry type. - So what I figured, - since I was closest to this on the left of sketch 1, 1 went through that wall. In that wall, all I ended up with was like a utility room type of a feeling, that had like, a, had the feeling it had..uh..maybe an auxiliary generator in .there. Or something like that, that was dark, painted black, you know. Service black type situation. Then., I figured well just- my dam luck to pick the wrong place, .you know....waste time. . So I backed out of that one again, and i.....1 thought it might have been a utility room, because I had the feeling like, - water heaters,- clothes washer, dryer type stuff around the. margin of the thing. Ok. .So On 1....utility room, auxiliary generator sittingin the middle of it Washer, dryer type situation flash up. So that's for 2. Then I got this sleeping form. I had no idea where it was so I actually left it. I just had a...just ?a sleeping form of a? guy. I figured it wasn't going to do me any dam good because Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : Cl 0001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA- PARIWAQQ42001-8 ' 4 if it was a hostage, I still had to find out where it was..... where he much for that. So, I went and I explored the house some more. I was trying to find out where this guy was. What I.did, in essence, I went back again to start, the number 1, and I tried to go in the crotch of the building which would now be.....guess 4. So 4 was thtough that wall. Got a living room lash up, windows...uh...foreground shot, like this. A feeling that there was something on the right side.. Like these ornamental posts that you have .in a kitchen type thing...... kitchen type thing. Standard sofa. Living room unoccupied. That's What....4. I got the feeling this guy was around there. Sleeping man is somewhere there. Somewhere around to the right in sketch 4. . So I bopped up above the building..:..I tried to figure out where he was.....and my attention was being drawn to.....what I called in the transcript the middle part of the E. The building is shaped like an E on One side of it. The two Es are separated ? by two .....these things are separated by a small courtyard and a large courtyard. Like this. Of course I know this ,from the imagery. My beacon method was to form this odd shape E thing ....and the X on sketch 5 is where this guy was skeeping. So then, I went jback in.. .how I knew where the hell he was.... then I went back in, and I had a ornate...more ornate.....i mean a nice bed type situation, and there was something funny here. Something funny here on the right side of, the the headboard of the bed had a shelf on it- You know. Like the lady's side of the bed had a shelf on it, and on this shelf was a pot that had dried straw or winter flowers. You know how winter flowers look? They're dry and their very pretty... different hues of earth tones. Anyway so much for that. And, I had elesleepo man clothed sleeping there on the left side of the bed. When you asked me who was this man, or what was happening...boom, I got the idea of a leaning here against the headboard. Whether that's symbolic or actual, I don't know......window on the left side. White shirt, black trousers on the guy. And, I think this window on the left side of sketch 6 looks out into the large- courtyard, here. So that's where this cat was. Ok...Uh.....where am I on the notes. Oh! Then I was exploring elsewhere in the building and I had, the know what I'm talking about, ok. ....and I had the feeling...... thatoff the living room....which is sketch the living room.....this is like the back a patio door..:.. like a sliding glass patio door.......and these might be these upright things that I annotated in the other sketch........ Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA- Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP -00788R002100010001-8 The sleeping man was around this corner. Seven is a living room shot looking into the house. Sleeping man.....ok...e and a place where hostages were. And, I underline word on around and to the right. The idea.....that place like around the corner to the right, first door, left, is a room or....somehow you go back out and the window of the hostages TOW looked on the patio where the pool was. So for 8, oh, go back to I can't do it...... #66: Ok. Pretty quick here now, you started talking about, you spontaneously zipped outside and found those gun crew, or something. #10.5: Does that come first, or does that come after this. Did I start talking about whore hostages used to be or where they are? Which one came first? #66: Your gun crew came first. #10.5: Ok. Let me do that. All right. I had the feeling of a... uh....non-dugged in but sandbagged position....low, low bagging. on it .....maybe 3 layers....just enough for a gun with -a- tri-pod to sit over or point over, ok. I tried to figure out what. kind of a gun it was, but I just couldn't. I knew it was and it was uely.,...and it was....did it's thing. Surrounded by trees?almost trees, almost out in front of it.You know. Trees are like right along the side of it and a couple in the background. And, behind it, I could see the. building. I think it was the same place. I do think I was just outside. You can see it peeking through thetrees, and, maybe a couple of windows in there. Like that. And, the distance is maybe, maybe 50 feet. But, it's covered over, you know. The trees are around it. But, that somehow, out this way, this is actually located on the edee of an open clearing.. .and it's like tucked back in under the trees. This is the target building. Around here is the pool patio. #66: Ok. Can you go to another page and draw an overview?. #10.5: Yeah. For 9, I did hope up. Ok. There- are trees around here...00ps, and these trees make almost a crescent, ok, and about like, right here, is where the gun is. Ok. Ok. I'll also use this overhead for the next series......this is number 9, on number 9 when. I was draw the dotted arrow, that the direction which the previous hostages had been directed in was in that. ......I had the feeling likecatty7corner across the pool patio.e..out from here in that direction......ok.....More trees around here. Ok. And...uh...X, on. the spot, that's sleeping man; X...old hostage location, and then right at the very end of the session, I was back outside one more time, and I had the Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA 001-8 F-% Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-R - 001-8 feeling like there were like two, two people lounging around a...outside patio type...chairs that were there. Right against the woods, between the pool and the woods, I mean they're lounging. They're not in their skivvies. They're know...sitting on their butts at the...I mean they're dressed, and everything, situation. Ok. Ok. The feeling about the old hostage room was that I could peek out the left window and.eee the pool, ok. So it would mean to me that it might be a little bit farther back along that big blocky part...rear part of the building. was off the hall. I tried to look around, and see if there were any other places like that, but I had the feeling that I was looking at essentially a bare room that everything had been moved out of, and the one minute, when I first looked at it,. I said there's something interesting- here, what is it. There's nothing in the room. Then I saw like all sorts of blankets and stuff all over,. and then it disappeared again, and then it came back again, then it disappeared again. And, then I. asked myself, where:did these people. And, I 1ookedee24_and.4eleekedec ner out the window and across and I went like...'oroom...zoo like the zooming with the camera lens, and I saw, I just had t feeling, the knowledge that they had gone from that po.n s er to one of the four buildings that are in a row. The our small houses. Because, I recognized the pattern. .just ort of 't'vely I said, oh, ? it's those four houses or there. But,. wii -went intO?Ieden!t-k e(0 iut I had the feeling maybe 7 or 8 people had been in that room, and then they had been taken away some time earlier than that. #66: How about the rest of the building. Aside from the man that you told me about you have any Opinions about the rest of the building? #10.5: No. I tell you it was unoccupied. I'd say, if anything, -there might be a small group of the people or octupants billeted there or gun crew. But, I wasn't able to get into any other places. I kept asking myself this big question, Ok. Where arethey? I only went to two places, eSot:I'd have to presume there wasn't any real relevance to the rest of the structure. That's the only real relevance. #66: Ok. So you would say that the building is now, at this time, unoccupied or ....... #10.5: No hostages. #66: hostages in this building. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : Cl 010001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA- #10,5: That's what I'd say. Ok. If it is occupied, again they'd probably put them right back in that same room. .? #66: Ok. Anything else you want to add? #10.5: I want to do this funny window. #66: Ok. This is the thing that you had at the end. #10.5: Yeah. And, I-had it at the beginning too, And, then it just popped back to me. I think it is along the back of the building, or what I would call the back of the building, and it was the funniest thing. It was like: a higher window there.... .that had the appearance of having been bagged off I mean the actual window......having been bagged, sandbagged off, and sticking out through . this thing was this tube. So for 10, I'll do a quick little ...quick insert............feeling of these sandbags, I screwed that up, didn't.I........feeling of these sandbags.....and protruding out from this thing was this..... you know what a firehose nozzle looks's like that. It's fluted at the splays out at the end....comes out like this all around it..... and this thing was sticking out. I almost....I I actually said to myself, that's funny as hell! What the hell somebody got the firehose nozzle pointing out of the window for? you know. What comes out of that thing. Then, I just said, well, you know, that's probably just garbage. To heck with it. Just something weird. Then, I.went on with the rest of the session. And, then when I was. ....... asked me if I had anything more to add.........4and I said no ...... ...and the next thought that popped into my mind, was this damn thing- again. Ok. And, it's metallic; it's all the gestalt things of a big ass of a big firehose nozzle. Big, two man nozzle type thing, only all I could see of:At, was just the end of it. SDI I don't know if it's a sump pump or could be an automatic weapon, or something like that. You know. Put in the window. It was very, very spontaneous. 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