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Approved For Release 2000/ - - 888002100060001-3 NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH 05163OZ JUL 78 REVIEW ON: Approved For Release 200 4 z'1 -00788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 200 i _ . -00788R002100060001-3 REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-91 1. (5) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS, Pentagon, Washington, DC. The purpose of the session was to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran. 2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requester. 3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (5) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB Bis target cuing information provided the remote viewer. 5. (5) The remote viewer was asked to locate an individual identified as David Roeder who is being held hostage in Iran. The viewer described what he felt was a cell block in which eight or nine hostages of some importance were being held. The viewer felt that this area was maybe only "four long city blocks" or about three miles from the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran. Roeder appeared depressed, felt isolated and it seemed as if he had been abused by somebody. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08.,: p A,RRP98 00788ROO2100060001-3 REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-91 #66: This will be a remote viewing session for 1030 hours, 1 May 1980. Relax and concentrate now. Relax and focus your attention. Focus your attention of observation solely on David Roeder whose picture I have shown you. At this time locate David Roeder and describe his location to me. 401 #08: Ok. This is, this is moving rapidly over here. From the street there's a wall...5, 6, or 7 foot columns, and between the columns wrought iron leads to a yard. ?+-02 Forefront to the yard. from the street... foliage... like an unkept garden. Has a very strong impression of a window on the left. Street floor...or call first floor, I guess. Window beyond-in back...just behind the corridor... left is where he is. Get a very strong impression of a, of a peak entrance. Exaggerated image of a peak entrance...sort of gables to a roof. PAUSE I get in front of the wall-appears to be like shrubbery. PAUSE Posts, columns rather with a roof over...the left side is very, very obscure. Like there was a big wall-it starts from the height of the wall and curves up like... graft.... plane. This is a....get the impression of a similarly high wall in the back of the building. Getting to look like a corner building...wall...shorter or the same height as in the front on the right side of the grates. Approved For Release 2000/08/08*1 IF1 -*UQ788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 8R002100060001-3 +08 #08: Got a street on the right side.-splits into a "Y." Looks like a small domain in a very cluttered area. Got an impression of an A roof with red tile........ As if it were.....a half a house coming from the left side of the wall ....... As if it were part of that. PAUSE #66: Focus in on David, and tell me about David. PAUSE +10 #08: Very, very small, narrow room..... dark ................ I, I got the impression of bars. I get the impression of a cell. A prison cell. Very, very crude accommoda- tions. ##66: What's David's activity right now? +12 #08: Extremely depressed. Terrible sense of isolation. Kind of hunched over. I think he's been battered around.... as a -r.esult of a personal antagonism of an individual. Hadn't been ordered or anything. No reason for it. +14 #66: Search the immediate area for others. ##08: Can I stay a little longer? #66: Certainly. We have plenty of time. PAUSE #08: It's very desolate for him, but I think if he....... well he knows he can hang on. (Mumbling) convinced he will get out of there eventually. Impressions are really jumbled. The next impression is like a small cell block. I think he's part of an importan group. Maybe 8 or 9. You know, one of these silly groups that they take particular precautions with. Like terrist (phonetic) if they of special interest to them. #66: Tell me some of the raw data that makes you say these things. Approved For Release 2000/0 C1A=RD 96-00788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 ' . ' P 6-QQ788;R002100060001-3 57 7VO!"Ou"N"M #08: It's, its Ike bloody jail. I see bars, and I see wooden doors. eavy, heavy wooden doors with strapped steel on doors. Like in the old.... .dungeon tale types. Old, musty. #66: Are there other individuals? #08: I get that impression of 'em..... 0 or 9 in there...... and yet it's a small section of something. It's all crowded in by walls....very narrow corridor. There's a terrible absence of light. #66: All right. At this time I'd like you to try to get a outside overhead perspective. #08: I was..: the peak has something to do with telling me where it is. :[...that first peak that jets out of that something, has something to do with telling me where this thing is. Like I's exaggerated. It's...ok .............. to 'em. The closed in atmosphere is really controlled. See an impression of a...(mumbling) 5.... 6..... short medium built man...little heavier than medium. The thing there d The tall bald headed man is in there. I think right nex is, is his hair is combed flat on his hea, acros,, ...... as if to hide baldness, you know. I think the impression is that he is a military man, too, but he's not dressed up as one. I think I'm pushing it now. +24 #66: When you're ready move outside for an overhead shot. PAUSE: #08: I want to stay a little bit longer. #66: All right. +25 FOB: Ok. Someone is trying to tell me there's straw. The mattress is straw. The pillow is straw. Conditions ar6 poor. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/00 R002100060001-3 +27 #08: They were carried there by a..... closed in..... like a Q of these four-wheel drive jobies..... Wasn't an official vehicle or anything. It was a 15-20 minute drive from where they were. They're not that far away. #66: Away from what? #08: From where they were before ...................... I think these are the people that were on the second floor of that building facing that ballfield. I'm pretty sure. I think from the football field they would be immediately, not that immediately...... I get the impression of four long blocks away from where they were. It's not that far. Again, the peak.....the peak is the answer to this thing ...... 'cause ........ #66: Elaborate on the peak. #0$: 1 don't know .... it's to tell you where they're at.... I can't tell .RUSE It's like this thing was an annex to this big building. That's all. That's all. #66: All right. I have no further questions. you'd like to add? a there anything #k0$: I don't know..... impression got more dis...... as I went along..... that's all. #66: Let's draw the impressions that you've had. #08: Ok. First impression was columns. Here is the fend;. It's a 9 wrought fence....... bars really. I'll give you some approximate dimensions because this looked like a damn prison thing, but it isn't. This was about....right off the ground, maybe 2 and k, 3 feet. This was about the same measurements; maybe a little moree...the height of the fence. So this is really ground level. I was in front here, on the street. Let's continue this a little bit, because it damn well stopped right about here. This wall was the same on the right side. About.the same height, but the peculiar thing is....about here ...and I don't know how to draw this..... there was a wall...the height of this column, 7 foot, and it kind of took off like a graft and it became very high. #66:. So on the left side of your drawing the wall is a higher wall? .. a.,,_ 17 Q. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : ClA 01 002100060001-3 #08: Well, it starts off at the same height in the front, and then it sort of curves up. Like it's a very high wall. And, this high wall continues in the back...I have to put the annex in here. This is a very high wall. I don't know. 15--20 feet...something...this would be the corner ...keeps on this way. This is all brick. This is red brick, but actually it starts off this way and then goes like this. Something like that. You just have to put it in different perspective. And, what I found if this were attached to this .... is like a small. annex of a building. Like this. Something like that. That would be the side... the right side really. Red tiles. I don't remember what's in front, but he was,.-when ycu:.:first asked me to spot him, I don't know-he was in this section here, ok #66: Maybe you can give me a separate picture of the annex. ##08: I'm going to have to give you an overview of the annex. #66: That's got a peaked.roof. #08: Yeah. It was an A roof, and rn,tr tr'l s por o tR s part of the wall, eventually. I'.1- Just draw a rectangle on--thip The second sketch ...s ptch number 2. And, just des that ath damn thing. were about 8 or 9 plat e e. And, where he was -I'll.indicate that wit X. Roeder. #66: Yes. We can call ##08: I was very, very .... when I first got there it was like coming out of the sun. It was very, very dark and dismal.....uias a very primitive type cot over here, arid a little sing someplace around here. Then I was getting the impression that this window is barred with iron bars, if that needs to be said. I couldn't find iron bars in front. Say this was a corridor... what I found in front was a, a door.... I'm going to draw this separately ..... and it looked like something from the (mumbling) legends. f#66: Ok. This is the.... #08: The front door to the room. #66: Ok. Front door to the room versus front door to the #06: Oh. Establishment. I don't know. #66: Ok. This is a door to a room. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 ',: -00788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/48 : Gf`A RDP96--00788R002100060001-3 #08-. They were all the same. #66: Not like you would expect to see a jail cell with all bars. #08: Where you would have all bars ..... what this...thing that kept fascinating me was...there was a steel piece of metal here-and there's sort of a window here..... and this was on huge hinges.....not really like that...... I don't know how to hell. And, I don't where the key slot was. #66: Ok. #08: [Jut, this was heavy wood. Heavy, heavy old wood. He wasn't getting much light. This was, very very dismal and I found this in the other section .... and that damn peak kept coming back. #66: Now, tell me a bit more what you mean about peak. #08: Ok. Now, this was you would have a building.... and the building changed when this peak thing came in. Like this would be an A roof, and in the A roof you would have...uh...gable...well, this stuck out like crazy here. And, there were columns or something. This just simply stuck out from the building. #66: From the annex, itself? #08: From the annex, itself. #66: Ok. The annex seems to stick out from the will on the left side...... #08: This was, this was separate from this dumb hinq here I got the impression this was trying to to 1 us where they actually were, as a point of recognition. Ok. This would be like an entryway...let me extend this ...obviate this line.....this was brick, huge brick, and this is one story and this appeared to be two stories. This peak just jutted out and it was exaggerated in my mind as if..... #66: Ok. Now, let me see if I can recap what I feel I understand here. The drawing you've done in 3 is not necessarily the building where this guy is located, but it's like the key building. That would tell us where he's located if we could find this building. Approved For Release 2000/08/04 0A k4WHSE002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/0, 88R002100060001-3 #08: Yes. It's associated with this dumb thing with the peak. #66: 1 Ok. That's why you called the other building an ..wren: Because it's really not this building, but..... ok. understand that. He's actually located in the building drawn in number 2, which is somewhat smaller building Single story. t his is ti vat:.' 9nd this is a stupid little #0$: -Yeah. And, annex that jets out...the right. This is accurate here. But, to try and locate it, I kept getting impressions of that dumb peak. #66: Ok. You're drawing kind of a T shaped building then, but lith A shaped roofs. #08: Yeah. This would be the building and the peak would be jetting out prominently enough.. Something like this. But, it's open. Yeah. It's open underneath. It wasn't a T fashion. And, of course, the building is wider than the peak jets out,, ;but. itN.waa very prominant:- #66: And, this building, again, is not the building where he is. #08: That's the key to the location. #66: That's the key to the location. #08: 1 think. I think. And, I may be forging too far ahead of myself, but I'm wanting to do this all right. I was trying to get an overview. 066: You had some sort of feeling of how they got there. #08: Yeah. I was trying to thing of a Chevy Bronco, a Dodge a.... whatever they call these-these four-wheel drive vehicles that are high off the ground. Uh..... international harvester type-and I was trying to find out how long it took them to get where they were, and I got the impression of 20 minutes, and so on. I think this is when I sort of pushed and tried to find out-well where in the hell is this place.-in respect to this building. I remember working at something like this. This would be the football field. This is a small two-story building. I think'this is where the were before. And, this is the main building that led to the football field. They are approximately 4 blocks away from this place here in a very crowded area. Approved For Release 2000/08/O$' : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/0 __ 0001-3 #66: Ok. You are talking about the compound area here, where you found them before. Yes, yes. C#66: Al]. right. That you feel they are now off the compound. 08: Yeah. Yes. I don't know. To the' left. #66: And, maybe 15-20 minutes away. #08 : Not necessarily. There's 4 blocks. I think they rode them around a little bit. 'cause if you went there directly, you could get there 10-15 minutes. But, I thin they...I don't know...took a little bit longer........ #66: Ok. Now, by mean city block. #08: Yeah. Long blocks. If you've been in New York as to opposed to short blocks. Long blocks. #08: Took a little bit longer to get there. #66: Ok. Long blocks ...ok. Can you equate that to miles? #08: Old Brooklyn terminology....long blocks and short blocks... long blocks are much longer than short blocks. #66: Can you equate that to miles? Statute mile? roughly. The impression I got. But, I was pushing it. I was really pushing it. #OB: I was trying to think of that and it's about 3 miles, #66: So, to you, got a more comfortable saying 4 blocks than you do saying 3 miles. #08: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because this was almost part of an overview. It was an overview, and the distances would be very difficult to estimate. When I tried this, that damn peak came back again, as if to say...well I told you what it was. Approved For Release 2000/ 0788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3 TAB Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3 Approved For elease $ 00/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3 4 Approved For Release 2000/08/0$ CIA-RDP96-00788R0021000600,0, 4.-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/Q, C RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release ii2 000/08/08 : CIA-RIDP96-00788R002100060-001.-3- t ag Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001 . 4. Approved For. 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The viewer was shown the attached photo so that he might be able to "beacon" on David Roeder. Approved For Release 2000/08 SGFOIA3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100060001-3