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Approved For Release07 2000/ 88R002100320001-4 Oftqiiiti/08 : - - GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH DAT D:051630Z3UL78 REVIEW DM 4.. e e (- NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONA Approved For Release 2000/0S8.-RE100788R002100320001-4 Approved For Release 2000/07/?.:cmtRE788R002100320001-4 SUMMARY ANALYSIS RLMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-90 I. (S/NOFORN) This report documents e remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, ,L!', ()JCS, Pentagon, Washington; DC. The purpose of the sessiun Was to provide ifformation relevant to the hostage situation in Iran. 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions or the target are provided. us raw intelligence data, and, as such, have net been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. InterprethAl and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor, 3, (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document t;rill Flame Protocol; AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the vieweCa impressions during the remote viewing session, At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site At TAB B is terget cuing information provided the remote viewer. 5, (5/N0fORN) The remote viewer was asked to locate Charles Jones and describe his surroundings, He described Jones as being located in a building near or in a market place. This arca is near the center of a large city. The viewer opined that this city was Teheran, Iran. The viewer felt that there were three other hostage personnel with Junes. After the session he was shown photographs of hostage personnel and identified Duane Gillette, Steve Kirtley end Don Hohman as possibly being with Jones. The viewer perceived five guard personnel at this site. NU f KIELASABIF 10 FOREION NAHONALS Approved For Release 2000/08/QR ? .nip PrI _99799R002100320001-4 (44.) LA41 Approved For Release 2000/0 TIME TRANSCRIPT 88R002100320001-4 REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-90 #66: This will be a remote viewing session fur 1430 hours, 17 :July 1980. PAUSE Relax and concentrate now. Relax and focus your attention on Charles Jones whose picture I have shown you. Locate Charles Jones and describe his surroundings to me. PAUSE 4-03 #01: The walls are round. There's...small building, and this is one storey, maybe two,..uh..there's two stories. ...... It's got a curved shape to it. An S curve. It's like a row of, row of, it looks like a half-and-half building down 01 one side. Like shops in the front. The windows are high, high windows, #66: Tell me about Jones' immediate surroundings. +05 #01: Dark, dark room...with..uh..vith threo, I think.....three other people. It's dark room, like dark, not wood, but dark, dark paint. A brown or tan paint. +07 #66: What's going on here? #01: Don't see any activity. He's, he's like laying on his back, and there's....two other people are eating. Looks a lot like the back room of some kind of a ship or something #66: What makes you say this? #01: Front, front room has stacks of cans. Some kind f silver cans. That's lower. This is like split level room. It's at the end of a alley or something. The roRd goes up to the front and it stops, and there's a room full of these silver cans, and this room is like upper from that, #66: Describe for ma the greater building in which this room is. located, and the position of this room in the greater building, PAUSE. #01; This is either..uh?like....Ws either part of, part of a very large building that's get different parts or it's sandwiched between these curve, curved buildings. Approved For Release 2000/08/01 nOrrr38R002100320001-4 %OP L?, Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : - DidrJ0i8Roo2100320001-4 #661 Break that out for me. Mit It's like curve, curved wall on the left or curved building or something, tall, but it's curved, and there's one like it oo the right. #66: Co on. #01: And, in the middle is this, it's just like entrance with cans, silver calls. This room is in the, in the back, upper split level part of it, hut you can only, only get there through the room with the cans. PAUSE. +10 #66: Who are these people with Jones? #01: There's...uh... It's like two. ....two of the young ones has a black board. Neither, neither one looks familiar to me. I just. guy with the beard is fairly tall, and there's one like early, early middlo aged, 38........ who is, is wearing like a T-shirt with SCAM kind of writing on it, like numbers or something on a T-shirt. Like?oh..... he's clean cut, shaved....get a military improsion with him, Like, .thinkinq like a Na el offic.ter or sowthing......... Brown hair. Just a light flex of grey in brown hair. PAUSE #66: Are these people being guarded? #01A Yeah. There's... .two old, two old looks like.? nd,....three younger men. And, they're sitting at a. table ? it's a counter or a, table or something, by the front, , and there's the younger man, even, maybe teen ager sitting . by the door. It's a lot of noise here. Like it's some ? kind of a shopping area or something. You know. Like a lot if activity. #66: Tell me some of the noises you hear. #01: Uh-..don't hear any vehicles. It's like .a lot of talking, and argumentative type of talking, like bargaining, and the clank of pans, like barkers, selling things. A lot of cloth fluttering in the front, like, it's like some kind of tents or overhangs down the wall on the left, Very conjested.... away, away from this building. It's.....00t a funny door +15 or something on the front, like a lift-up kind of door, like a garage type of door --and then a regular door. 1664 Okay. Move over, an overhead view now, and describe how this building is situated so that me might be able to locate this building. PAUSE_ Approved For Release 2000/0 0788R002100320001-4 Nur' Approved For Release 2000/081?1kffiEf5MR002100320001-4 +20 #01: Sort of V, V shaped and there's some kind of large T-shaped warehouse or something behind it that runs to the end, and there's a top on it like al., There's a alley that runs around it that makes like a. I intersection by the arm or the I of the building CAT warehouse. The market area or whatever It is going away curves to the left, and the both rondo come to a main road. Only you can't drive, you can't drive except on the main road. it's very close to the center of town. It. 's like I get a. feeling it's a. special, special place to buy a certain thing. Like housewares or something, It's like things you buy for kitchens and stuff. 466: Thispartimiar building. #01: No. This market place that this building'a buy. Like, you go there to buy a soap dish or something or a carving knife. #66: if I wanted to buy a kitchen utensil I mould come to this particular shopping area? #01: If you wore a. native, yes. 466: And, how about to this particular building. Why would I go to this particular building? #01: I think this building. is. like a trans-shipment building, like a receiving building of some sort. I don't this it has a function as far as the market area, but it's. they are handling goods here. I almost get a. .1 lmost get a. feel for smuggling of some kind. Whoever these, these people are, they're dealing on the side, SO to speak. #66: 401: Okay. I'd like you to return your perceptions now to the original room where Jones is. Your initial comments were something about a round room, It's #66: Break that out for me. PAUSE It's like there's no corners on one mall. It's..the walls are rounded.. When I go outside to look at the wall, I see, I sec a different section of the wall. So that the room may not be behind the cans, but they'd be front and left of where the cans are. That's all 1, that's all I can explain. #66; Okay. If I understand correctly, ynu are j01103 in the room with 3 other people? 401: Yes. Approved For Release 2000/083EUZT788R002100320001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/682. - 788R002100320001-4 #66 You feel that this is a group or hostages? 1.01: Aha, they are. #66: And, as far as guard personnel, you oxp :ail-led to me that you have. .two older mcn,.... #01: Two older men, yeah. #66: Three younger men, plus a teen age type. Are these othe men armed in some way? #0.1 The three young men are. They're, they get their faces covered, and they're armed with.....?seme kind of rifle, They got?, they all got 'em at sling arm like .with the muzzles down #66: Okay. Now, raising high up over this area, tell me more about the location of the budixting,and the market, and the main street. PAUSE #01: The main road just goes to another main road to make a intersecAion in the town, Feel like it's in the extreme southwestern corner of the city somewhere. #66: Okay. Before you said it was in the center of the city, Can you break out. your ray perceptions? I W01: . Un..?it's in the center, but it's in the southwest extreme edge of the center. Get a feeling like a box. You could say the center of the city is a box; this would be in the lower, left hand.i. corner on a main road that kind of leads out of the city. #66: Okay. Do you recognize this city? #01: Yeah, I think it's, I really think it's. Teheran. But, I keep getting this ball park or something that pops in my mind around here, but I don't know if it's overlay or not, #6.6: Is it positioned in relationship to this area? #01: No. It just a flash picture of a ball park or something. You know. A stadium like thing. +25 #66 Okay. I have no further questions; however, I'd like to give you the opportunity to comment on anything that you feel is important at this time. W01: The neighborhood is prearginantly a residentneighborhood. Small shops.......I. ,n't see, any industry, and I dont see any large modern bu.ldings of any kind. An older_>ection. Approved For Release 2000/08/018-a 4 R002100320001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100320001-4 #01: I don't see, but maybe every now and then a place over two- stories; three a maximum. That's. about it. #66: Okay. Let's prepaTe to draw the perceptions that you've had. #01: I want to look at this street layout again, just for a minute. #66: All right. Remember it so you can draw it for me. PAUSE: #01: Okay. #66: Okay. Let's prepare to draw. #01: Okay. On page 1, I'll see if I can't draw the way I was seeing this place, and then I'll do like an overhead view, and I'll do what the interior of the room looked like...?. walls wise. So, I'm not really sure if this room was. actually to the rear of these cans, split leve.1 up or pJit level off to the left. Because of the. shape of the walls were kind of changing. I got a feeling that there was like this wall on the left that. would that, and there was also one on the right that did the sawe thing. I don't know if this building is sectioned off or part of these walls (mumbling) walls. Like this made a. little street like. this, and there's's like a door here, and this is your standard -house type door.Hereon the right there's like some kind of cargo door, hatch type doer, you know, like we would call a garage door in the states. Only it appeared to be a little. smaller. And, the only windows I saw were! like ....right up here towards.the edge, It like these....four little windows, and they were haTred. Feei like this was some kind of a holding or transfer point or somethingt and the tin cans wore right. inside the cargo &or. #66: now large were these cans? #01 One gallon. #66: Okay. We're #01; Paint Qans size thing, but they weren't paint can:;. #66: We're talking paint can size versus 50 oilen drum size. #017 Yeah. Paint, paint can size. Now, these .,....I kept gelting an impression that, down this way was a market. It actually started right here on the corner. You know. Cestalt type canopies. Like Approved For Release 2000/08/ R002100320001-4 Approved For Release 2000/0 8R002100320001-4 #66 So, I had to go down this little street here, to net down to the end to this. #01: Right, and that these were carts loaded with stuff, and windows of shops and, you know, that theae were other buildings or something, and..... going this way, was a --like a quiet street. This was all activity, and this was real quiet to the right. All activity to the left, Oh, and in the background you could just see this big warehouse_ roof, went down like that. That's what it looked like from the front. Now, from the top I got an impression of this flat sided V shape. So, I'm going to draw it here. I still don't know if, you know, it's actually part of the buildings on both sides if, Ws all one big building; I don't, I don't know, and down this way it was all different shops. And, sidewalk 11135 only on the one side, and went down here like this Now, coming of here was a row of buildings or something that went like this, around that way. ..0. These ware like houses and shops, and then there was a road that went this way. Likewise, and all in here was carts and little shopping (turned tape over) I'll put an arrow at the top of the page, and this will say view page 1. This is like a market area, and up here........, is this....main street, and this goes to heart.. of city-00. and then here is like somehow or another this street's blocked here,..... .1 don't know if it's a wall or if it's poles in the ground. But, I got a feeling like it's blocked and you couldn't drive on it. And then, there's a street here comes out to the min street. Like this, and then goes this way............. And, then there's this warehouse that you C2ri see the roof of in page 1. and it's shaped like a lopsided T. This...... I'll put an X in a circle for the target building. #66: Okay. On drawing number 2 than, the X in a circle is the target building where you found Jones, and....,you kind of drawing the street layout here. #01: This is more like an alley here. This is a street. I got a feeling like therG'a residential here.-- And, again, this As the main street up here, and those are.......where I label buildings they're all mixed residential and small shops. And, the impression I had of the room is.....I'll draw the way the interior of the room looks to me0 Because, Um not sure exactly how it lies within this target building, but I had a feeling like.....uh.....there was a door, and through the door was silver cans. Okay, And, then the wall went like this. #66 Okay. When we say through the door, do you mean the conventional door or the garage type door? Approved For Release 2000/08/0 002100320001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/ 788R002100320001-4 #01: When I say through the door, I mean through the room that the hostages are in. #66: Nd you don't know...,,? #01: I don't know where that room is in the building. That's why, that's why I'm doing this. #66: Okay. You're saying remote viewing wise when you go into the building you find yourself immediately entering the room where the hostages are, and you don't kocu...... #01: No, no........yeah, yeah, remote viewing Wise. If you physically.....okay.....if you go in the entrance door of this building, the first thing that 1 see is a room full of silver cans, and that's where the guard types are sitting, and the two old men, and there's a teen age kid up by the front door, Now, I don't see any ways out of that room for somo reaoonl. but 1 feel like split level to that is the door to which you- ?ean aecess the. hostages. Now, the best I can de from there is describe the hostage room as I see it from inside. Which haa got. on S curved wall which really throws me off, because I don't know how that fits the building. Which is why I have to draw that separate. there's an S curved wall that goes bock like this to a blank wall, and I get the feeling like........ #66: Okay. So the drawing in drawing 3, then, is interior to the building itself. 401: Yeah. #66.: And, this area out here to your left is the room or area that you would first enter where the silver cans were, and the. room where you're depicting now is the room where the hostages are. You haven't drawn the rest of the floor plan? #01: Right. No, I can't do that because I don't know how it works. All I'm saying is there's silver cans right outside the interior of the hostage room, and there's silver cans right when you enter the entrance door to the target building. Now, there may be silver cans all over this building, and that might be what's throwing me off; I don't know. But, the walls are S curved interior wise there's no sharp corners. And, there's like.........there's_lke-two.._s1eeping cots or beds back here. I think they're..otitS. I wasn't getting the feeling of being very high oft the ground or being, you know, very nice beds or anything'. They're more like cots, and I had the foaling wasn't ln.....he...uh?two young guys-- were...?' ' 1 use Y for young. two younger hostages were on those L .s. 1 had a feeling like hf_wa-?-.-t1ht to the left 138 you enter t.. 41-41re-wc1-7117161 laying Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : 8R002100320001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RD #01: What's his name? #661 Charles Jones. -00 88R002100320001-4 #01: Okay. I'll say Charles, Charles was just laying on his cot, and reading. And, one of the young guys, I think, was reading. You know. It was like they were just kind of laying around not doing much, and there was another cot, right hera, That was the, the military...uh,..havy type. I don't know why I say that, but that's what it feels like, and the rest of the area was just chairs and a table. Some boxes and things. I don't know what specifically. Just clutter. Clutter over in this area. There are windows, but I don't know how many, and I don't know what kind, hut they were up very high, and there was windows on this side. You know......small. #66: Okay. You say, you say that..... let we see if I can go through this with you again. Do you enter off of the street into a room of cans where the guards ore? 1/01: Right. #66: Then you have a feel. mg of split level. My question is, do you go up Or down? #01: You go up. Very definitely go up. #66: You must go up to get to the hostages? #01: Yeah. And........reason why I say split level is I keep left hand keeps telling me it's one storey and my right hand keeps telling me it's two stories. That's sort of a feeling I get whenever I get split level. You know. Off-set rooms where one is higher than the other; and that's the feeling I'm getting here. The gestalt:. I'm getting. Jo I just know that's probably split level. Anyway, that's the way that room looks. Do you want a picture of the. room with the guards? #66: Okay. If you can draw it toa smaller scale, maybe you can put it. all together. #01: Well, no, I'm net going to be able to do that. Because I really don't know how that fits. #66: Into here. #01: Yeah. The hostage room fits into the target building. So, either find myself in the hostage, okay, working ..the hostage TOM, Or I find myself in a room with the guards looking at that room. But, I don't find myself walking from one to the other. So, I don't know how I get there. Approved For Release 2000/08/ 8R002100320001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/0 #66: Not know how they fit together? R002100320001-4 #01: Right. I don't know why that's happening today, but that's.....and.......this one's like this ......garage type door. I get a feeling like there's a very large table here, and you got these two 'em G, sitting there. You got 1 teenager sitting there. You've got the X in the circle; you've got one young guard there, and you've got two young guards. back hare. Only I just know they're there. I can't tell if they're sitting or standing. #66: Okay. In drawing. 4 then, the 3 Xs indicate the guards that are armed. The twc Gs indicate older gentlemen; and the T indicates a teenager; and the little circles are the carts. #01: Right, right, right. and then there's these cans just piled all in the front here, and I don't know what they are, but I think they're hot. You know, 1 get a distinct smuggler feeling when I see these cans. Like maybe these guys are guards by day and smugglers by night. You know. That sort of thing. Real shiny silver cans, you know; almost like this stainless steel that's know, this sterile. surgical type steel that you see. in a room somewhere. They're hermetically sealed and they're..,I don't know what's in 'em. I didn't really look. just a very shiny cans. #66: And, then your feelings, again, about this city that this is located in being Teheran, can you elaborate on that feeling at all? . . . . t 101: I just felt....yeah.....i just felt like ...okay.... e the main street, this being the area of hostages, okay, the main road went like this. ....ended downtown, and I get the feeling like..... .that's not very far.... .six blocks, u know, six city blocks, comes to a big U shaped avenue. like four lanes, apd...uh...this is the main city, 1n776--. ge-, "7.1I--,draw tit-T-7o the bottom right-hand corner. I get this picture that pops in my mind, like. I'm looking at one of those giant stadiums. Get this kind of picture. #66: Okay. Now., I'll ask you again, you don't know where this stadium is in relationship to those other things. #01: No. I don't- #66: Only that the picture of the stadium comes to your mind. Yeah..................It's round! 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(S/NOFORN) The remote viewer has been exposed to open source news medis'information as well as classified overhead imagery and numerous. photographs of hostage personnel. He knew he would be working against the hostage situation in Iran. 2. (S/NOFORN) At the time of this session the remote viewer was shown the attached photograph, and was asked to find Charles :Jones. He was asked to identify Jones location, identify any other U.S, hostage personnel, and to describe physical security at this location. Approved For Release 200 -00788R002100320001-4 SGFOIA3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100320001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100320001-4