TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-90

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• Publication Date: July 17, 1980
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
RLMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-90
I. (S/NOFORN) This report documents e remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request from SOD, ,L!', ()JCS, Pentagon, Washington; DC.
The purpose of the sessiun Was to provide ifformation relevant to the
hostage situation in Iran.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions or the target are provided.
us raw intelligence data, and, as such, have net been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. InterprethAl and use of
the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor,
3, (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
t;rill Flame Protocol; AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the vieweCa impressions during
the remote viewing session, At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site At TAB B is terget cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
5, (5/N0fORN) The remote viewer was asked to locate Charles Jones and
describe his surroundings, He described Jones as being located in a building
near or in a market place. This arca is near the center of a large city.
The viewer opined that this city was Teheran, Iran. The viewer felt that
there were three other hostage personnel with Junes. After the session he
was shown photographs of hostage personnel and identified Duane Gillette,
Steve Kirtley end Don Hohman as possibly being with Jones. The viewer
perceived five guard personnel at this site.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-90
#66: This will be a remote viewing session fur 1430 hours,
17 :July 1980.
PAUSE
Relax and concentrate now. Relax and focus your attention
on Charles Jones whose picture I have shown you. Locate
Charles Jones and describe his surroundings to me.
PAUSE
4-03 #01: The walls are round. There's...small building, and this is
one storey, maybe two,..uh..there's two stories. ......
It's got a curved shape to it. An S curve. It's like a
row of, row of, it looks like a half-and-half building down
01 one side. Like shops in the front. The windows
are high, high windows,
#66: Tell me about Jones' immediate surroundings.
+05 #01: Dark, dark room...with..uh..vith threo, I think.....three
other people. It's dark room, like dark, not wood, but
dark, dark paint. A brown or tan paint.
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#66: What's going on here?
#01: Don't see any activity. He's, he's like laying on his back,
and there's....two other people are eating. Looks a lot
like the back room of some kind of a ship or something
#66: What makes you say this?
#01: Front, front room has stacks of cans. Some kind f silver
cans. That's lower. This is like split level room. It's
at the end of a alley or something. The roRd goes up to the
front and it stops, and there's a room full of these silver
cans, and this room is like upper from that,
#66: Describe for ma the greater building in which this room is.
located, and the position of this room in the greater building,
PAUSE.
#01; This is either..uh?like....Ws either part of, part of a
very large building that's get different parts or it's
sandwiched between these curve, curved buildings.
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#661 Break that out for me.
Mit It's like curve, curved wall on the left or curved building
or something, tall, but it's curved, and there's one like it
oo the right.
#66: Co on.
#01: And, in the middle is this, it's just like entrance with
cans, silver calls. This room is in the, in the back, upper
split level part of it, hut you can only, only get there
through the room with the cans.
PAUSE.
+10 #66: Who are these people with Jones?
#01: There's...uh... It's like two. ....two
of the young ones has a black board. Neither, neither one
looks familiar to me. I just. guy with the beard is fairly
tall, and there's one like early, early middlo aged, 38........
who is, is wearing like a T-shirt with SCAM kind of writing on
it, like numbers or something on a T-shirt. Like?oh.....
he's clean cut, shaved....get a military improsion with him,
Like, .thinkinq like a Na el offic.ter or sowthing.........
Brown hair. Just a light flex of grey in brown hair.
PAUSE
#66: Are these people being guarded?
#01A Yeah. There's... .two old, two old men...it looks like.?
nd,....three younger men. And, they're sitting at a. table
? .....no? it's a counter or a, table or something, by the front,
, and there's the younger man, even, maybe teen ager sitting
. by the door. It's a lot of noise here. Like it's some
? kind of a shopping area or something. You know. Like a lot
if activity.
#66: Tell me some of the noises you hear.
#01: Uh-..don't hear any vehicles. It's like .a lot of talking,
and argumentative type of talking, like bargaining, and the
clank of pans, like barkers, selling things. A lot of cloth
fluttering in the front, like, it's like some kind of tents
or overhangs down the wall on the left, Very conjested....
away, away from this building. It's.....00t a funny door
+15 or something on the front, like a lift-up kind of door, like
a garage type of door --and then a regular door.
1664 Okay. Move over, an overhead view now, and describe how
this building is situated so that me might be able to locate
this building.
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#01:
Sort of V, V shaped and there's some kind of large T-shaped
warehouse or something behind it that runs to the end, and
there's a top on it like al., There's a alley that runs
around it that makes like a. I intersection by the arm or the
I of the building CAT warehouse. The market area or whatever
It is going away curves to the left, and the both rondo come
to a...like a main road. Only you can't drive, you can't drive
except on the main road. it's very close to the center of town.
It. 's like I get a. feeling for.....like it's a. special, special
place to buy a certain thing. Like housewares or something,
It's like things you buy for kitchens and stuff.
466: Thispartimiar building.
#01: No. This market place that this building'a buy. Like, you
go there to buy a soap dish or something or a carving knife.
#66: if I wanted to buy a kitchen utensil I mould come to this
particular shopping area?
#01: If you wore a. native, yes.
466: And, how about to this particular building. Why would I go
to this particular building?
#01: I think this building. is. like a trans-shipment building,
like a receiving building of some sort. I don't this it has
a function as far as the market area, but it's. they are
handling goods here. I almost get a. .1 lmost get a. feel
for smuggling of some kind. Whoever these, these people are,
they're dealing on the side, SO to speak.
#66:
401:
Okay. I'd like you to return your perceptions now to the
original room where Jones is. Your initial comments were
something about a round room,
It's
#66: Break that out for me.
PAUSE
It's like there's no corners on one mall. It's..the walls
are rounded.. When I go outside to look at the wall, I see,
I sec a different section of the wall. So that the room may
not be behind the cans, but they'd be front and left of where
the cans are. That's all 1, that's all I can explain.
#66; Okay. If I understand correctly, ynu are j01103 in the room
with 3 other people?
401: Yes.
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#66 You feel that this is a group or hostages?
1.01: Aha, they are.
#66: And, as far as guard personnel, you oxp :ail-led to me that you
have. .two older mcn,....
#01: Two older men, yeah.
#66: Three younger men, plus a teen age type. Are these othe men
armed in some way?
#0.1 The three young men are. They're, they get their faces covered,
and they're armed with.....?seme kind of rifle, They got?,
they all got 'em at sling arm like .with the muzzles down
#66: Okay. Now, raising high up over this area, tell me more about
the location of the budixting,and the market, and the main street.
PAUSE
#01: The main road just goes to another main road to make a intersecAion
in the town, Feel like it's in the extreme southwestern corner
of the city somewhere.
#66: Okay. Before you said it was in the center of the city, Can you
break out. your ray perceptions?
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W01: . Un..?it's in the center, but it's in the southwest extreme edge
of the center. Get a feeling like a box. You could say the
center of the city is a box; this would be in the lower, left hand.i.
corner on a main road that kind of leads out of the city.
#66: Okay. Do you recognize this city?
#01: Yeah, I think it's, I really think it's. Teheran. But, I keep
getting this ball park or something that pops in my mind around
here, but I don't know if it's overlay or not,
#6.6: Is it positioned in relationship to this area?
#01: No. It just a flash picture of a ball park or something.
You know. A stadium like thing.
+25 #66 Okay. I have no further questions; however, I'd like to give you
the opportunity to comment on anything that you feel is important
at this time.
W01:
The neighborhood is prearginantly a residentneighborhood.
Small shops.......I. ,n't see, any industry, and I dont see
any large modern bu.ldings of any kind. An older_>ection.
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#01: I don't see, but maybe every now and then a place over two-
stories; three a maximum. That's. about it.
#66: Okay. Let's prepaTe to draw the perceptions that you've had.
#01: I want to look at this street layout again, just for a minute.
#66: All right. Remember it so you can draw it for me.
PAUSE:
#01: Okay.
#66: Okay. Let's prepare to draw.
#01: Okay. On page 1, I'll see if I can't draw the way I was
seeing this place, and then I'll do like an overhead view,
and I'll do what the interior of the room looked like...?.
walls wise. So, I'm not really sure if this room was. actually
to the rear of these cans, split leve.1 up or pJit level off
to the left. Because of the. shape of the walls were kind
of changing. I got a feeling that there was like this wall
on the left that. would curve...........like that, and there
was also one on the right that did the sawe thing. I don't
know if this building is sectioned off or part of these
walls (mumbling) walls. Like this made a. little street like.
this, and there's a....it's like a door here, and this is
your standard -house type door.Hereon the right there's
like some kind of cargo door, hatch type doer,
you know, like we would call a garage door in the states.
Only it appeared to be a little. smaller. And, the only windows
I saw were! like ....right up here towards.the edge, It
like these....four little windows, and they were haTred. Feei
like this was some kind of a holding or transfer point or
somethingt and the tin cans wore right. inside the cargo &or.
#66: now large were these cans?
#01 One gallon.
#66: Okay. We're
#01; Paint Qans size thing, but they weren't paint can:;.
#66: We're talking paint can size versus 50 oilen drum size.
#017 Yeah. Paint, paint can size. Now, these .,....I kept gelting
an impression that, down this way was a market. It actually
started right here on the corner. You know. Cestalt type
canopies. Like th.is.
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#66 So, I had to go down this little street here, to net down
to the end to this.
#01: Right, and that these were carts loaded with stuff, and
windows of shops and, you know, that theae were other
buildings or something, and..... going this way, was a
--like a quiet street. This was all activity, and this
was real quiet to the right. All activity to the left, Oh,
and in the background you could just see this big warehouse_
roof, went down like that. That's what it looked like from
the front. Now, from the top I got an impression of this
.....like flat sided V shape. So, I'm going to draw it here.
I still don't know if, you know, it's actually part of the
buildings on both sides if, Ws all one big building; I
don't, I don't know, and down this way it was all different
shops. And, sidewalk 11135 only on the one side, and went
down here like this Now, coming of here was a....like a row
of buildings or something that went like this, around that
way. ..0. These ware like houses and shops, and then there was
a road that went this way. Likewise, and all in here was carts
and little shopping (turned tape over)
I'll put an arrow at the top of the page, and this will say
view page 1. This is like a market area, and up here........,
is this....main street, and this goes to heart.. of city-00.
and then here is like somehow or another this street's blocked
here,..... .1 don't know if it's a wall or if it's poles in the
ground. But, I got a feeling like it's blocked and you couldn't
drive on it. And then, there's a street here comes out to the
min street. Like this, and then goes this way.............
And, then there's this warehouse that you C2ri see the roof of
in page 1. and it's shaped like a lopsided T. This......
I'll put an X in a circle for the target building.
#66: Okay. On drawing number 2 than, the X in a circle is the
target building where you found Jones, and....,you kind of
drawing the street layout here.
#01: This is more like an alley here. This is a street. I got a
feeling like therG'a residential here.-- And, again, this
As the main street up here, and those are.......where I
label buildings they're all mixed residential and small shops.
And, the impression I had of the room is.....I'll draw the
way the interior of the room looks to me0 Because, Um not
sure exactly how it lies within this target building, but I
had a feeling like.....uh.....there was a door, and through
the door was silver cans. Okay, And, then the wall went
like this.
#66 Okay. When we say through the door, do you mean the conventional
door or the garage type door?
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#01: When I say through the door, I mean through the room that
the hostages are in.
#66: Nd you don't know...,,?
#01: I don't know where that room is in the building. That's why,
that's why I'm doing this.
#66: Okay. You're saying remote viewing wise when you go into
the building you find yourself immediately entering the room
where the hostages are, and you don't kocu......
#01: No, no........yeah, yeah, remote viewing Wise. If you
physically.....okay.....if you go in the entrance door of this
building, the first thing that 1 see is a room full of silver
cans, and that's where the guard types are sitting, and the
two old men, and there's a teen age kid up by the front door,
Now, I don't see any ways out of that room for somo reaoonl.
but 1 feel like split level to that is the door to which you-
?ean aecess the. hostages. Now, the best I can de from there
is describe the hostage room as I see it from inside. Which
haa got. on S curved wall which really throws me off, because
I don't know how that fits the building. Which is why I have
to draw that separate.
there's an S curved wall that goes bock like this to a blank
wall, and I get the feeling like........
#66: Okay. So the drawing in drawing 3, then, is interior to the
building itself.
401: Yeah.
#66.: And, this area out here to your left is the room or area that
you would first enter where the silver cans were, and the.
room where you're depicting now is the room where the hostages
are. You haven't drawn the rest of the floor plan?
#01: Right. No, I can't do that because I don't know how it works.
All I'm saying is there's silver cans right outside the interior
of the hostage room, and there's silver cans right when you
enter the entrance door to the target building. Now, there
may be silver cans all over this building, and that might be
what's throwing me off; I don't know. But, the walls are S
curved interior wise there's no sharp corners. And, there's
like.........there's_lke-two.._s1eeping cots or beds back here.
I think they're..otitS. I wasn't getting the feeling of being
very high oft the ground or being, you know, very nice beds
or anything'. They're more like cots, and I had the foaling
wasn't ln.....he...uh?two young guys--
were...?' ' 1 use Y for young. two younger hostages were
on those L .s. 1 had a feeling like hf_wa-?-.-t1ht to the left
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#01: What's his name?
#661 Charles Jones.
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#01: Okay. I'll say Charles, Charles was just laying on his
cot, and reading. And, one of the young guys, I think, was
reading. You know. It was like they were just kind of laying
around not doing much, and there was another cot, right hera,
That was the, the military...uh,..havy type. I don't know
why I say that, but that's what it feels like, and the rest
of the area was just chairs and a table. Some boxes and
things. I don't know what specifically. Just clutter.
Clutter over in this area.
There are windows, but I don't know how many, and I don't
know what kind, hut they were up very high, and there was
windows on this side. You know......small.
#66: Okay. You say, you say that..... let we see if I can go
through this with you again. Do you enter off of the street
into a room of cans where the guards ore?
1/01: Right.
#66: Then you have a feel. mg of split level. My question is,
do you go up Or down?
#01: You go up. Very definitely go up.
#66: You must go up to get to the hostages?
#01: Yeah. And........reason why I say split level is I keep
on......my left hand keeps telling me it's one storey and
my right hand keeps telling me it's two stories. That's
sort of a feeling I get whenever I get split level. You know.
Off-set rooms where one is higher than the other; and that's
the feeling I'm getting here. The gestalt:. I'm getting. Jo
I just know that's probably split level. Anyway, that's
the way that room looks. Do you want a picture of the. room
with the guards?
#66: Okay. If you can draw it toa smaller scale, maybe you can
put it. all together.
#01: Well, no, I'm net going to be able to do that. Because I
really don't know how that fits.
#66: Into here.
#01: Yeah. The hostage room fits into the target building. So,
either find myself in the hostage, okay, working ..the
hostage TOM, Or I find myself in a room with the guards
looking at that room. But, I don't find myself walking
from one to the other. So, I don't know how I get there.
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#01: Right. I don't know why that's happening today, but
that's.....and.......this one's like this ......garage
type door. I get a feeling like there's a very large
table here, and you got these two old....call 'em G,
sitting there. You got 1 teenager sitting there. You've
got the X in the circle; you've got one young guard there,
and you've got two young guards. back hare. Only I just
know they're there. I can't tell if they're sitting or
standing.
#66: Okay. In drawing. 4 then, the 3 Xs indicate the guards that
are armed. The twc Gs indicate older gentlemen; and the
T indicates a teenager; and the little circles are the carts.
#01: Right, right, right. and then there's these cans just piled
all in the front here, and I don't know what they are, but
I think they're hot. You know, 1 get a distinct smuggler
feeling when I see these cans. Like maybe these guys are
guards by day and smugglers by night. You know. That sort
of thing. Real shiny silver cans, you know; almost like
this stainless steel that's real...you know, this sterile.
surgical type steel that you see. in a room somewhere.
They're hermetically sealed and they're..,I don't know what's
in 'em. I didn't really look. just a very shiny cans.
#66: And, then your feelings, again, about this city that this is
located in being Teheran, can you elaborate on that feeling
at all?
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101: I just felt....yeah.....i just felt like ...okay....
e the main street, this being the area of hostages, okay,
the main road went like this. ....ended downtown, and I get
the feeling like..... .that's not very far.... .six blocks,
u know, six city blocks, comes to a big U shaped avenue.
like four lanes, apd...uh...this is the main city,
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the bottom right-hand corner. I get this picture that pops
in my mind, like. I'm looking at one of those giant stadiums.
Get this kind of picture.
#66: Okay. Now., I'll ask you again, you don't know where this
stadium is in relationship to those other things.
#01: No. I don't-
#66: Only that the picture of the stadium comes to your mind.
Yeah..................It's round! It's not,..it's not....,
it's a. more rounded oval than we would have, in our .?.like
our football. stadium. It's more like a baseball stadium
than it is a football stadium. You know what I'm talking
about...the difference. the way out of the field.
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#66:
Okay.
Anything else you would like to add?
#01:
Nape.
That's all I got.
#66:
Okay.
That. s fine.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-90
I. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer has been exposed to open source news
medis'information as well as classified overhead imagery and numerous.
photographs of hostage personnel. He knew he would be working against
the hostage situation in Iran.
2. (S/NOFORN) At the time of this session the remote viewer was shown the
attached photograph, and was asked to find Charles :Jones. He was asked
to identify Jones location, identify any other U.S, hostage personnel,
and to describe physical security at this location.
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