NOTES ON CONVERSATION WITH (Sanitized) (DIA/OGF/PAG) 1 FEB 95

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: STARGATE
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00791R000100030012-2
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: S
• Document Page Count: 2
• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: May 16, 2000
• Sequence Number: 12
• Publication Date: February 1, 1995
• Content Type: NOTES

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(DIA/OGF/PAG) 1 Feb 95:
In general:
I uis program manager at DIA of Star ate. He and
SG1A
his sta are currently housed at Ft. Meade
He said DIA has been involved formally managing the Stargate
program since 1990 and that it was inherited from the US Army
[General Stubblebind?]; there it had been a primarily
operations oriented program since the early 1980s.
We discussed what CIA's initial approach to the program
transfer would be [from my perspective], and the current
state of the DIA program from his perspective. I said that
the first thing CIA is going to do is set up a Blue Ribbon
Review panel. I mentioned the National Research Council as a
leading contender for this, based on the previous work they
had done for the Army Research Institute. I said the second
thing we would do, and in parallel, was to formally look at
the issue of declassification. I asked for cooperation in
both of these efforts. I made no discussion and no
commitments in terms of dates, milestones, nor discussed any
other aspect of pro ram transfer (i.e., billets, dollars,
etc.), despite intense curiosity and questions on these
issues. I asked for all the supporting documentation 0 SG1J
II has said was available during a previous meeting. This
included: 1] DIA program retrospective (just
submitted in draft to CMS), 2] 20 year SG1J
retrospective draft 3] ED May's (SAIC principal investigator)
unclassified retrospective of R&D in parapsychology, and 41
45 documents relating to R&D which claimed he had SG1J
declassified. He said he would bring these to the meeting
Monday, but later hesitated about the R&D material, and the
20 r retrospective saying it might be difficult to find.
described these documents during our conversation SG1J
confirming whati had said them.]
described some general highlights of the DIA program.
TO conduct operations,
It is worth noting that believes that he has already
responded to the CDA in preparing his LIMDIS report which he
recently has submitted to the CMS and which he is discussing
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with DIA's OCA liaison. He said he didn't object, however,
to the CIA Blue Ribbon panel, and that it was a good idea
because this work is so important. He also said he drafted a
report going back to 1973 on the history of the program which
he said was the 20-yr retrospective Congress asked for.
He also pledged to be very cooperative in our Blue
Ribbon Panel review. He was not too keen on the issue of
"declassification", but he has equities in mind of which I am
unaware. He said that "program declassification is not
good," especially if it addresses who we have been doing this
work for (the customers?). I didn't push the discussion on
declassification other than to name and to say SG1I
that I though would be attending some o the meetings.
Highlights:
? We agreed that
ORD on 6 Feb, 10:00.
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meetin
would briefing his program at
agreed to bring relevant documentation to the
? I told CIA's approach was Blue Ribbon Panel up
front, with no other commitments
? ^ may resist declassification, but otherwise pledges
cooperation
? The program is currently an operations program,
collection and research have ceased.
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