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• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: STARGATE
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00792R000400010005-8
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: S
• Document Page Count: 7
• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: March 6, 2001
• Sequence Number: 5
• Publication Date: April 28, 1983
• Content Type: TRANS

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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
28 April 1983. Relax and concentrate now. Relax
and focus your attention on the area
SG1A
Focus on this area in the present time and describe
it to me.
#08: Give me about 30 more seconds and read them off
again.
All that I have is a....is a..shore line with water
on the right and a...(mumble) and vegetation on the
left.
All right. Find for me a recognizable geographic
feature so that I can move you from this point.
#08: ......... Moving closer in-into the vegetation
area, the green area is a....road...It's in a type
of...and...there's an impression here also of a,
this area being very flat.
#66: Move down the road.
#08: ...Going to the.... (mumble) portion of the
road ..... Yes, it's about.... There's a point on the
road with a brick building which is about ...30, 35
miles north of the city,...a very sunny,
warm... seeing it's very sunny, warm climate.
#66: Okay. You seem to be in the right location. I'd
like to read you this specific coordinates again
and see if we can't get a more specific location in
this neighborhood.
#08: It's all right.
#66:
SG1A
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#08: ....Okay, there's a..a very quick impression of a
tower what is it now.... the lights-like it's in
plexigrass or something. You can't see inside but
from inside you can see out.
#66: Describe the immediate surroundings.
#08: .....Very wide road ..... It's as wide as an
airstrip, but there's no traffic there.
#66: Okay, from--
#08: And this leads to, leads to..... Building ...few
miles away, 5 or 6 miles...The main activity of the
building is a...control center... there's an
extensive series of buildings.... all of them built
for the same purpose .....
#66: From this location, from where you are right now,
move west two and a half miles and describe. Move
to the west two and a half miles and describe.
#08: .......It's a...a white dome .... is a...white dome
supported by a ...a...relatively strong but
small..I want to say angle lines, but they're not
angle lines, they're steel studs.
#66: Describe the area surrounding this,
#08: ....... The a..there are several roads with the
spoke like fashion that lead to the,..leading to
the dome. The dome is a...to the north of the
dome-about 2 miles north of the dome, there's a
road about (mumble),... east of the dome is another
road,.,.small road.... secondary highways is what
they are..(mumble).
#66: Okay, from this location, from where you are now, I
want you to move to a specific intersection of two
roads, from this location, move to the intersection
of Chesapeake Avenue and Little Creek Road. Move
to the intersection of Chesapeake Avenue and Little
Creek Road.
#08: All right.
#66: Now describe this intersection to me.
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#08: ......They're taking the bearing north and south
and east and west. The eastern section of the
intersection is the. long, low level, a storage
type building. To the west and closer to the
intersection is a.... (mumble, mumble)
store .... (mumble) in the....And the
south... east ...section..there is (mumble, mumble,
mumble) facility of level rectangular, a small
building that I can't make out what it is. And
a..south, west portion I see..a..the fences and
grass and pasture land, that's what I see.
#66: Okay. Fixing yourself at this intersection,
describe the activity right now today at this
intersection.
#08: ..... This road is narrow and become much wider
north and south and-much more
active... seeing...four..four lanes or more of...and
the main road the a...a great deal more of
a. traffic activity. And there was a ...was a
(mumble)...of a..a flat bed trailer truck.
#66:
Okay. Other---
#08: And--
#66:
#08:
#66:
#08:
Other than the vehicular traffic, what do the sides
of the intersection look like, are there sidewalks
and street signs or bus stop benches, what does it
look like, other than the traffic that there?
Describe it to me.
.....The heavy traffic is north to south....
--The pedestrian... activity is in..the...a western
part of the secondary road and...and all
specifically interested in.
#66: All right. I'd like to move now in time, but
holding on this intersection.
#66: Yes. Move now back in time to the window of 8 and
9 December 82, 8 and 9 December of 1982 at this
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intersection. Within that time period, we are
interested in one particular occurrence,event,
happening, activity.
#08: Yes, it has to do with the big tank...a.big tank,
or a huge container.
#66: Focusing now on 8 - 9 December. 82, describe your
perception to me.
#08: ...... Okay .... There are two things came to pass....
forget that... Something about a..bundle or a light
package..in the..in the..southwestern corner of the
highway.... Bundle wrapped...in..light paper-and
tied in....tape...My direction, my direction is
focused on that-bundle. The first impression, I
want to say because it's bothering me about a
multiple accident, but it's a bundle that attracted
my attention.
#66:
All right.
Let
me
see if I understand what you're
trying to
tell
me.
There were two things of
importance,
one
of
which was an accident and the
other which
was
the
bundle?
Yes
.
All right.
Tell me about the bundle.
#08: The bundle is sealed. The bundle is wrapped
#66:
#08:
#66:
#08:
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What's happening with the bundle?
Just lying there ......
Watch the bundle and see what happens with it.
The bundle is.. the bundle is made of books...soft
covered books...the size is..8 X
10........... (mumble). The impression now is of
a..local having picked up the bundle and taking off
with it, the local .... went about 3 miles in
southwest area of the (mumble).... Yeah, a country
poke, I guess....The a...impression of a..somewhat
rundown, small house with a roof overhang
(mumble), help me out.
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#66: Focus on the bundle and tell me what happens with
the bundle.
#08: They brought it to that house....
#66: And?
#08: .. .. ....It was opened and...i think the
individual is confused and amazed..and this has
lasted for some time ..... You want to pursue this
bundle?
#66: Yes. Tell me about what's in the bundle and what
this guy does with it.
#08: They open them-and-they were a bunch of
a...accountable 8 x 10...printed material.. about..
each book with about ...and less than a half inch
and a little more than a quarter inch thick. I see
white and red covers and some dark...dark type
emblem.
#66: All right. Now what it is, tell me more about what
he does with these things in the bundle.
#08: Okay. ....... The a...in his confusion and
amazement, he then transferred the bundle to the
bottom on a deep container about a four foot
container, wood.. and covered the ...the contents
of the booklets with a ..... some other material.
They're putting the...the booklet and-and the
material in the barrel.
#66: All right..
#08: There's a layer of-maybe paper or canvas......
You want anything more?
#66: Yes. Looking first at the bundle as it's
unwrapped, be very careful here that I'm not
suggesting anything to you, but do you have the
opinion that these are originals or copies?
#08: That's... the... the... impression is one of newly
printed material.
#66: Newly printed in that they haven't been circulated
and used?
#08: Fresh off the press type stuff.
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#66: Fresh off the press type thing, okay. Now move
further back through this incident to the
intersection again with the bundle sitting there at
the intersection--
#08: Yeah--
#66: --And move back further again and tell me how it
arrived at the intersection.
#08: It rolled into the, boy, going to backtrack this
stuff......... It was thrown there...it came from a
vehicle.. .this is going to be overlay here
because.. but. I'll say it anyway. The impression
is one of being thrown from a passing vehicle...
Why don't,..I, we can continue this some other time
now.
#66: All right.
#08: When I go back to this stuff.
#66: All right. I have one other thing I require and
then I know you're getting tired.
#66: Give me a police like description of the man who
picks up the bundle and later opens it.
#08: Yeah,...about 5'8", 51l011, very country attitude,
medium built, black ...un...black uncombed hair, a
slight receding hairline. Also an impression of
a..of a....overalls with the suspenders, (mumble)
about, little heavy for his height, with a slight
paunch.... That's about it, I...that's it.
#66: Okay. Now if he took them to a place that is about
3 miles south?
#08: Took them to the house.
#66: All right. If you had to--
#08: A mile and a half south---
#66: Pardon?
#08: About a mile and a half to the south.
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#66: Okay, if I had to find this house, what would be
the one way, the one identifying thing, the one
best way that I could find this house.
#08: The house was blue or white, because it's been
painted. There's a wreck, there's a wrecked
car-or the remnants of a wrecked car in the
area..Think it kinda looks like an old Chevy '51 or
something, black ...And the porch overhang is a
significant, recognizable ...It's typical little
country-house .....
#66: Okay. Now how do you feel about describing the car
and the individual who threw the packet out of the
car?
#08: Your're pushing it fella'.
#66: Okay. We'll come back to this and go for that a
little later.
#08: All right.
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