CONFERENCE "ARTICHOKE", 30 NOVEMBER 1951

• Document Type: SPECIALCOLLECTION
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): 00184418
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: U
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• Document Creation Date: January 21, 2025
• Document Release Date: January 15, 1983
• Publication Date: December 3, 1951

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Conference "Artichoke", 30 November 1951
3 December 1951
1. On 30 November 1951 conference relative "Artichoke an id in
the office o � Present in addition
and the writer.
acting as co-ordinator for the Artichoke" work presented
the agenda. Details follow in substance.
2. First, the di s ion con e ned the Project of the.
"side-tone delay". stated that OSI's point of view
was one in which they would like to have Agency support for the
t wou d be a reat help for them in their liaison wor w
stated that theglevery strongly wanted
ect continued, but they did not have money to continue. They
felt that the "side-tone delay" project was one in which this Agency
could well invest the necessary $35,000.
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3. stated that he did not believe the project was worth
the ' 5,000, hut would support the project if it would help Ord.
cheaper if the Agency had had its awn laboratory. _ ... _ -stated
stated that he felt that this project could h !e on much
that he did not think this would be worth $35,000 and doubted if it would
be of arty use to "Artichoke", but stated -t t he would support the ro-
ject particularly if it would help OSP , aison work.
stated that he felt that all things consi ered, it was worthw"iIe to
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support the project.
4. .It was, therefore, agreed that this conference would support the
. Project, but that beforethe actual contract Was written, car-
tam n guarentees would have to be made protecting i u interests in the-
iiiimatter although the project would be run by the since the Agency's
was not to be disclosed. In this connectiOn, It was-agreed that
, and any other parties interested would got to-
gether and work on the project when it reached the contract stage to make
sure our interests were protected and any special' itnns covered.
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Malik . stated 401100.001WaNg ted that t s work at on
drugs and their use In clinical work at was due an177777;ected
te future. lie stated that th has in-
the
and hat they will cover the field of drugs
ted Agencies wi et reports in this connection. Corn-
stated tha had told him this and e fit t at
un'reports along these lines would be forth coming.
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andligilMrxpressed eomeldoubte AZ to whether or not wo would receive
any reports since no reports along thee lines had been received to date.
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PT Wes enday :ecember). At this point stated that he wanted
to impress upon all those present the extreme cost of good research at the
present time. He stated that a good technic:el research project cost at
the rate of 20,000 A year for every one and one-half professionally-e iped
researchers. Hence, he felt that the .35,000 set out above for the 40111
() 40001(Project was probably not exessive.
7. then asked 0100111MMIMI whether any , .
re-
search had been conducted or any attempts had been made to find out if
work was being done on ultra-sonics. He stated that he had rend some
papers recently on. sonic beamin and ultra-sonic beaming which indicated
unusual results. stated that he would make all neces-
sary inquiries in this connection.
8. The discussion at this point WAS turned to detection of dece tion
dev ces, particularly the "squeeler" device and its possible use an
. stated he would make notes on this matter and see if he could fi
out any information.
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is being paid neparently through t .. ,.. . ._
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date his work has been a straight project and Unclassified and some
of his discoveries have been significant along "Artichoke" linos. IMP'
has don, work particularly in the'lysergic acid groups and he feels
s information would be of extreme value to this Agency. 411011111140,
stated that he was setting up the as li son to obtain
full details of this work. stated that the
of thed.Pwas a friend of his and if necessary, he could
4- personal bas .referred to above, is
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and an outstanding authority on aneethesiology
and drugs in the United States.
10. 40111.11101111Orstated that the information that he was ob-
tainin4 from the Chemical 4arfare Pranch of the Arny WAS being obtained
from1411,
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stated that he had been in contact wit66
a fully cleared Agency consultant,
an was considering plans for using new tectni es of interest
to the Agency which could be applied in thi He
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was also studying how men could be trained for Agency use within the rami-
fications of the 001101141000INNIMPOOMOt Accordin t
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felt that a possible use could be made'o for the g
training of men in the use of drugs.
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ET 111111111 and a specialist in el ric shock was present in e
building and he agreed to arrange a short meeting after this conference
for those who wished to talk to relative possible use of
electric shock or similar devices in connection with "Artichoke" work.
13. At this point in the conference, the idea of setting up a lab-
oratory for certain work in the Agency was discussed. NOWANOMONOMMOr
suggested that they contemplatetia laboratory involving about four rooms
and using six men who would be professional resenrchers. stated
that had discussed this matter informally wit
stated, at this point, that whereas he thought the idea wasio-
51y sound, he felt a great many of the details should be discussed be-
fore consideration be.given the project. e stated that he recently had
been able to interest the Vedical Department of the Agency in the "Arti-
choke" work and he felt that if a*labaratory was to be setup, the Medical
Department should understand the type of work done theremommiftwomo
stated the position that the use of Agency personnel in drug experimentation
of any type would have to be considered.with a great deal of caution and
many. oh ections would have to be overcome before this could be done.
. _ also stated that heretofore the Medical Department of the
Agency had not shown any interest In Agency work along the "Artichoke"
lines or other related lines but they have recently come around to a po-
sition of real support for this type of work.411401MMININFstated that, in
his opinion, the laboratory should be a much broader type of laboratory
and not purely a medical laboratory.
lh. At this point, the question of whetheP4100110101.0011rfr
, who was
formerly in keeessment now OrP),would do as a co-ordinator in the "Arti-
choMLInie of Work. gtated that he would definitely disa n eve
of connection w th this type of work and did not think.
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was suitable for it.
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1 stated that Wifigiallaa.Whad been very
highl recommen ad as an outstanding p)iyehiatrist in the country, but that
Ahad been informed that it would be impossible to obtain the ear-
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C- vice's of41111111011, since he was extremely busy.
again brought uo the saject of the "Vial"
and stated that thLtoople were completing their tests on the in-
strument and final Aeulteshould be known in about iiiids.a21,-3
stated that the information now coming fro indicated that
the nstrument was of vastly more interest than originally thought and
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it was essentivi that every single item in connection with this would
have to fully gone into. In this cAonnection, it was suggested that
th people send one of their top men to Germany if th xicologist
wh made th
al findings was still available. ; _informed
that his organization would make every effort to ob-
tain the other Instrument, run down the German toxicologist, and find
out complete details on the two nrents in question since It now aopears
that the arcnts -.;ero 7,ossibly lyin7, or It least evasivr in their answers.
gaiiiININIOstated that he vas not certain- whnther or not these two arents
had been run on the polygraph and he would find this out and would set
in motion the necessary orders for this to be done.
17. The conference concluded at approximately 3:15 PM.