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• Document Creation Date: December 12, 2016
• Document Release Date: April 23, 2002
• Sequence Number: 4
• Publication Date: September 24, 1975
• Content Type: TELEGRAM

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FM USMISSION NATO
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 3604
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VADE THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE AGREE-
MENT B Y BUILDING A NEW VERSION THAT WAS SOMEWHAT LARGER AND MORE
CAPABLE THAN THE ONE NOT INCLUDED. EARLE REPLIED THAT THE PROBGEM
EXISTED HYPOTHETICALLY, NEVERTHELESS, IT SEEMD ADVISABLE TO
SPECIFY by NAME THE AIRCRAFT TO BE INCLUDED RATHER THAN SPECIFY
A PARTICULAR PERFORMANCE CRITERION THAT WOULD CAUSE IT TO BE
INCLUDED. IN THE LATTER CASE' THERE WOULD RE THE PROBLEM OF
A SIDE DESIGNING AROUND THE LIMITATION. FOR EXAMPLE, IF
TAKEOFF WEIGHT WERE THE CRITERION, AN AIRCRAFT COULD BE
SPECIALLY DESIGNED WITH A WEIGHT ONE POUND LESS THAN THE
THRESHOLD BUT WITH THE CAPABILITIES OF A HEAVY BOMBER. THE US
COULD NOT TAKE ACCOUNT OF ALL EVENTUALITIES, AND INDEED, THIS
WAS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE PROVISION IN THE SCC ARTICLE
EMPOWERING THE SCC TO CONSIDER QUESTIONS OF COMPLIANCE AND
RELATED QUESTIONS THAT MAY APPEAR AMBCGUOUS.
21, THOMSON (UK) EXPRESSED HIS HOPE THAT THE UNITED STATES
WOULD NOT AGREE TO THE 600-K ILOMETER LIMIT ON SEA-BASED AND HE
AIR-BASED CRUISE MISSILES. IN VIEW OF SOVIET AIR DEFENSES.
THEN ASKED THREE QUESTION'SI (1) DOES THE SOVIET UNION ACCEPT
THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN MINUTEMAN III AND MINUTEMAN II? (2)
AMONG THE CRUCIAL ISSUES REMAINING, TO WHAT EXTENT I S EITHER
SIDE MAKING LINKAGES? HE. NOTED AS A POSSIBLE EXAVPLE THAT
AMBASSADGR JOHNSON HAD SAID LESS THAN WHAT THOMSON MIGHT HAVE
GUESSED HE WOULD HAVE SAID WITH RESPECT TO LAND-BASED AND AIR-
BASED MOBILE ICBMS? (3) DID EARLE GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THE
SOVIETS WERE SERIOUS ABOUT REDUCTIONS? EARLE REPLIED AS FOLLOWS=
(1) THE SOVIETS TAKE THE POSITION THAT THEY CAN DISTINGUISH
BETWEEN MINUTEMAN III AND MINUTEMAN II, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH
THEIR POSITION THAT NTM ARE SUFFICIENT FOR VERIFICATION PURPOSES,
(2) THERE HAS BEEN VERY LITTLEOATTTEMPTCATT TRADING OFF IN THE
CO. VALE
RAFT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE AGGREGATE, THAT RTHE SOVIET UNION COULD N07
y y AUX (FRANCE) ASKED IF THE US WERE SURE, ASSUMING A RP ART ICULAR Al
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NEGOTIATIONS EXCEPT IN MINOR MATTERS, AIR MOBCLES AND LAND
MIBILES- AS AMBASSADOR JOHNSON HAD SAID, ARE RELATED, BUT THE
RELATIONSHIP HAS NOT BEEN ARTICULATED. (3) THE SOVIET UNION IS
CURRENTLY RESISTING REDUCTION BY OCTOBER 3, 1977 TO THE AGREED
2400 LEVEL, AND HAVE PROPOSED THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 12
MONTHS AFTER THAT DATE T O REACH I T . OUR P O S I T I O N I S THAT TREY MUST
REDUCE TO THIS LEVEL BY THAT DATE, CLEARLY. 12 MONTHS IS FAR
TOO LONG AN EXTENSION, THE SIDES ARE IN DISAGREEMENT ON THIS
SUBJECT, AS FUR FUTURE REDUCTIONS, ALTHOUGH THE SOVIETS AGREED DIBLE RRFDUC
IN THE PREAMBLE TO AN OBJECTIVE OR REDUCTIONS, NOT MERELY
ONS, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT THEIR WILLINGNESS TO MAKE
FURTHER REDUCTIONS IN THE FUTURE,
22. VALLAUX (FRANCE) NOTED THAT THE QUESTION OF AIR-LAUNCHED
AND SEA-LAUNCHED CRUISE MISSILES WAS VERY IMPORTANT T O EUROPE
IN THE CONTEXT GF NON-TRANSFER AND ASKED IF THE I.\'ITED STATES
WERE AWARE OF TrIS INTEREST, EARLE REPLIED THAT hE ARE.
23, IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION BY HOSTERT (1 6. EARLE
REPLIED THAT THE HEAVY MISSILE DEFINITION WAS IN TERMS OF THROW-
WEIGHT OR VOLUME GREATER THAN THAT OF THE LARGEST NON-HEAVY
MISSILE, ALTHOUGH SOMEWHAT TAUTOLOGICAL, GIVEN THE SALT HISTORY
AND NEGOTIATING RECORD, IT WAS WELL UNDERSTOOD B, BOTH SIDES.
24. WILLUT (BELIGUM) NOTED THAT IN THE PAST THE SOVIETS HAD
MENTIONED INCLUSION OF THE F-i11 IN THE AG3REGATE. HAVE THEY
MENTIONED IT SINCE EARLE HAD LAST VISITED? EARLE PEPLIEC NO,
25. DA RI (ITALY), NOTING EUROPEAN INTEREST IN IMPLEMENTATION
OF THE CSCE AGREEMENT, ASKED IF THE SCC HAD PROVEN USEFUL
IN IMPLEMENTING THE SALT ONE AGREEMENTS, EARLE REPLIED. THAT,
AS AMBASSADOR JOHNSON HAD SAID (RE FT EL C), THE SCC DISCUSSIONS
THE PROCEDURES
WERE USEFUL AND BUSINESSLIKE, IN EARLE S VIEW,
FOR DISMANTLING OR DESTROYING OLDER IBM SITESHN GOTIAT .
ED IN
THE SCC HAD BEEN DETAILED AND FORTHCOMING L PART.
SO FAR A S THE CURRENT NEGOTIATIONS O N THE TERMS OF R EF EF* EN CE
FOR THE SCC IN THE FUTURE, THE PRINCIPAL SOVIET CONCERN APPEARS
TO BE THAT PkOCE.DURES REGARDING THE REPLACEMENT OF NEW SYSTEMS
AND THE CONVERS .ON OF EXISTING SYSTEMS COULD REPRESENT t US
ATTEMPT ''0 CU'NTk.UL THE SOVIET RATE OF CONVERSION FROM NON-MIRY
MISSILE LAjNCHEPS TO MIRV MISSILE LAUNCHERS. IN THE NEGOTIATIONS
OVER THESE TERMS OF HEFERENCE. THE US HAS REF"INEI' ITS L+'A.NGUAGGE
TO EXCLUDE THIS INTERPRETATION. GIVEN THE SOVIET PENCHANT FOR RSECRECY,
Y ARE RELUCTANT TO GIVE ASSURANCES THAT THEY WILL-
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PROVIDE INFORMATION TO ANY EXTENT IN EXCESS OF WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY
ESSENTIAL, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE MOVED TOWARD THE US POSITION ON
THE SCC TERMS OF REFERENCE AND THEY MAY COME FARTHER,
APPEAR TO CONTINUE TO TAKE THE SCC QUITE SERIOUSLY, R 26. CHAIRMAN PABSCH
ANKED MR. EARLE FOR HIS INFORMATIVE AND
VERY USEFUL RESPONSES. IN LINE WITH ACTING NAC CHAIRMAN
DE STAERKE'S REQUEST OF AMBASSADOR JOHNSON (REFTEL C), HE ADDED
HIS HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE FREQUENT EXPERTS' MEETINGS IN THE
FUTURE, HE THEN CONCLUDED THE MEETING, BRUCE
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