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• Publication Date: May 6, 1958
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IAC AD H O C C O M ON EXCHANGES
Minutes
6 may 1958
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Mr. Uglietta, Army
Lt. Cmdr. Dorr, Navy
Col. Goffer, AFCIN
Cpt. Copas, AFCIN
Mrs Mehl, ATIC
Cpt. Stone, JIG
Mr. Phelps, USIA
Mr. Abrahams, AEC
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tiiTiOWCul,
r discussion on crystallography)
r discussion on Permafrost)
r discussion on Agriculture)
1. The minutes of the '25 Maroh:meeting-, w.ere. approved.
ACTION MATTERS
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1. 2Mtallography? , Chairman of the A3
Hoc Subcommittee, was present for the discussion. He outlined the Com-
mittee's view as a feeling that there was not sufficient interest in
the subject to justify demanding reciprocity for intelligence reasons.
The ATIC representative said that he did not wish to reopen the case
since ATIC had a representative on the Subcommittee but that ATIC would
like to see reciprocity because they believe that the US should seize
every opportunity for putting scientists in the USSR for an extended
period of time. He said that ATIC would be willing to defray the ex-
penses of t- acceptable US delegation as reciprocity. It was agreed
that the Committee would forward an opinion that there was not suffi-
cient direct intelligence interest to demand reciprocity but that re-
ciprocity would be desirable and financing could be secured.
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25X1 Aga 2' Permafrost. Chairman of the Ad Hoc Subcommittee,
M vim present for the discussion. eoammended the Subcommittee
for acting so rapidly on the request from the Committee and questioned
whether the interest ryas based primarily on the geographic areas that
would be available or the substantive Information. said 25X1 A9a
that the exchange could stand on its substantive merits since the Sov-
lets have done a great deal of work in this field. The size of the
delegation was questioned, and after acme discussion, it van agreed
that the Subcommittee would resurvey experts available In an
effort to find some that hwea command in the Russian laagtasge and.
cover:;f more than one of the very specialized fields in permafrost
operations. It ma agreed that the proposal was generally regarded
as very favorable and that final clearance will be arranged by tele-
one once the personnel problem is dealt with. In the meantime, Mr.
25X1A9a ged participants to consider whether they had sufficient
interest to finance n t of the delegation.
3. ltux'e as present an a representative of
the technical consul scussion. outlined 25X1A9a
the feeling of the substantive experts that it was obvious from the
1955 exchange that the Soviets stood to gain worth whale technical
knowledge. If this were to be offset sufficiently to provide for a
net gain to the US, a larfP amount of intelligence must be garnered.
25X1 A9a added that intelligence from observation is limited, par-
e y a0 than BVLauiture attaches, US Bubassy, Moscov, travel
widely. He said that it its essential, therefore, that the basic In-
formation at.ked for by the questionnaire presented to the Soviets be
secured. He feels that if the present Soviet attitude of refusing
this information continues, it is believed that a net loess to the US
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telligsace viewpoint. aid that it might be extremely
wAcward,for the Department to back out of the exchanges that were
agreed upon so far, but that it might be essential to refuse to make
any more agreamtents unless this information is provided. 5X1 A9a
pointed out that he felt that the intelligence community had an obli-
gation to point out the poselbility of a net lose to the US. The Coan-
mittee agreed that the material prepared by the technical consultant
should be forwarded to the Department, and that the assistance of the
intelligence community should be offered in planning to secure essen-
tial information. It was pointed out that the first exchange of
agricultural economists would pretty veil determdne whether the Soviets
intended to provide the detailed information or whether they would con-
tinue the same stalling tactiaa which they applied to the 1955 Agri-
cultural Lxchango.
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). Briefing. The Chairman called attention to the fact that re-
cent briefings did not follow the plan laid out In "Standing operating
Procedures", IAC-D-103/I4. This was particularly true in that a large
number of briefers attended the briefings, many of them not as partici-
pants. Mr. Gatevood reaffirmed the view that much was to be desired
based on recent briefings, and the ATIC representative said that they
had similar problems. The Cbsirmsn expressed the view that it was not
essential to establish & rigid procedure at the present time, but that
in the future the members should be swrare of the problem and attempt to
provide a ma____sm whereby the requirements could be handled by a much
more limited number. It was agreed that in cases where Subcommittee's
bad dealt with the proposal they would provide an easy mechanism for
organizing a briefing.
5. Interpreters with US Delegations in the USSR. The Chairman
called attention to the fact that the Soviets continually express the
desire for including interpreters with their delegations even if it
had to be on a reciprocal basis. The Committee agreed with the state-
ment,but Air Force member said that this did not seem to be in the in-
terest of the US from an 1ntelligsnee viewpoint since Soviet inter-
preters would limit the take from Soviet delegations In the US much
more than the take of US delegations to the USSR vould be increased.
The 081 obmvwalso felt that the inclusion to the non-technical mem-
bers might cause the Soviets to limit the itineraries available to US
delegations. The ABC member called attention to the fact that Mr.
Libby wanted to take an interpreter, and it was agreed that there
would, In all probability, be occasions when exceptions would have to
be made.
6, Anthropology. The Chairman pointed out that the whole area
which would be covered by Dr. Ralney's group was in a significant
closed area in the USSR. The Air Force member stated that be had
asked that the Alaskan Command provide a list of areas of interest in
the USSR and areas that could open in Alaska by 12 May. It we be-
lieved that this would provide sufficient time to make these details
available Professor Ramey prior to the 19 May meeting. 'the Committee
agreed that it would inform the Department that there was considerable
net intelligence gain to the US, but that the Defense Department would
have to rule on areas which could be made &VLilsble in Alaska.
7. (:ravmetry. The O8I observer relayed the unofficial view, of
the Chairman of the ITY Working Group, that the subject was a suitable
one for a profitable exchange, since we know little about the Soviet
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activity. The feeling of the group vex that; (a) the Soviets should not
got too much opportunity to correlate gravimetric data., and (b) the pDrt
of the letter commenting on the line vh1ch could bee s ".abl fished ior
measurements -~ ?~. should not b, iDclud,ed. Further discussion developed
the fact that the exchange could be valuable but raised some concern for
the Soviet gala kron having ready access to the Worden geodetic meter
for an extended period of time. It vas. agreed that the TIDY Working
Group should be asked to consider this problem and to decide whether the
exchange vould be vorthvhile if another measuring instrument had to be
u md. The ATIC representative was asked to obtain technical advice from
lee Woolla , ATIC consultant, concerning the possible technical gan
to the Soviets and methods forestalling this gain. When this intorms-
tion is available, the IGY Working Group viLl be asked to come up vith
,a rapid answer. Mr. Gatevood stressed that the Department vas under
pressure to provide an answer. Rte ATIC representative thought that
he could contact Dr. Woollard vithia a veek.
8.. The Secretary tabled a map prepared by the Geographic
Area, tom, showing which areas in the USSR had been visited by U8 tra-
velers exclusive of diplomatic personnel. It me strewed that the
map van based an the incomplete information available and vas Dropered
on the basis of s request by the State Department representative.
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