POST REPORTS PERES REMARKS ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH EGYPT

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: Library of Congress
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): LOC-HAK-158-6-14-5
• Release Decision: RIFLIM
• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 5
• Document Creation Date: January 11, 2017
• Document Release Date: June 11, 2010
• Sequence Number: 14
• Publication Date: July 27, 1975
• Content Type: OPEN SOURCE

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POST REPORTS PERE S REMARKS ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH EGYPT
FOURTH TIME, DEFENCE r',INISTER Sh1M. ON PERES SAID HERE YESTERDAY.
HE WAS ADDRESSING A MEETING OF 4,000 LITHUANIAN IMMIGRANTS.
PERE S SAID ISRAEL WOULD NEGOT IA1E WITH.THE ARABS ONLY ON A
BASIS OF' ABSOLUTE EQUILITY, AND WITHOUT DICTATES. "WE HAVE NO
INTENTION OF RETURNING LAND WITHOUT GETTING PEACE IN RETUR-w,"
(TEXT), BET BERL--ISRAEL HAS NO ;DESIRE TO,WITHDRAW FROM SINAI
UNDER CONDITIONS THAT WOULD MAKE IT rvECESSARY TO CONQUER TT A
fE DEC~At~~D.
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IT AS TRUE THAT ISRAEL HAD TA;EN LAND FROM THE ARABS, BU,tt irE~~
ARABS HAD TAKEN PEACE FROM ISRA~:L--AND THAT WAS FAR r,ORE SERIOUS.
.,IF TriEY'GIVE THEY WILL RECEIVE_" nE: SAID, "BUT IF THEY REFUSE
THEY WILL NOT RECEIVE."
HE SAID ISRAEL WOULD NOT NE: O IATE AWAY STRATEGIC POSITIONS
REQUIRED FOR ITS DEFENCE IN SINAI, ALONG THE EASTERN BORDER WITH
JORDAN OR ON THE GOLAN HEIGHTS.
PER ,ES SAID ISRAEL COULD RELY ON C O AGREEMENT UNLESS ITS ARMY
WAS ST GNG--AND !ADDE'D THAI IT RYAS INDEED STRONG ENOUGH TO MACE
ANY COMBINATION 'OF ARAB FvRCES. i rE COUNTRY WAS SEEKING An
AGREE118t4T NOT OUT OF WEAKNESS ELIT CUT OF A DESIRE FOR PEACE.
"I DO NOT KNOW IF THE ARABS WILL MOVE TOWARDS A SETTLEMENT
THIS TIME OR WILL REPEAT THEIR v ISTAKES--AND WAR IS FIRST AND
FOREMOST Are ARAB mISTAKE. IT HAS BROUGHT THEM MORE WEAKNESS,
MORE PaVERTY9 MORE D ISAPPOINTEMENT', AND MORE FRUSTRATION."
ISRAEL'S SECURITY ALSO RESTED ON ACOLIIRING ALLIES, PERES SAID,
AND IT WAS LOOKING FOR FRIENDS IN THE WORLD. IT. WAS NOT ISRAEL.,THA.T
HAD DESTROYED THE FRIENDSHIP WITH RUSSIA. ISRAEL WANTED FRIENDSHIP
WITH ALL i tiE NATIONS uF EUROPE AND AMERICA--BUT ON CONDITION
THAT THE STATE OF ISRAEL BE ITS OWN MASTER AND ABLE TO DEFEND
ITSELF.
HERE' HE t'OTED TnAT SOMME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WERE CLAIMING THAT
ISRAEL WAS DEPENDENT ?ON THE U. S. , BECAUSE IT RECEIVED AMERICAN ARMS.
BUT THESE SAME COUNTRIES WERE ASKING THAT THE AMERICANS STAY ON
THEIR SOIL TO DEFEND THEM, HE SAID, WHILE ISRAEL ASKED ONLY ARMS,
Itv ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DEFE-vD ITSELF.
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(TEXT) DEFENSE MINSTER SH1P`i'ON PERES SPOKE TONIGHT AT
BET BERL BEFORE 3 , 006 NEW I:`ii`t 1G}; /; iv TS FRulI L I1.A
(IN THE USSR-FLIS). THE CONFERENCE WAS ORGANIZED BY THE
LABOR PARTY WITH THE A1i''i OF INVOLVING THE NEW IMMIGRANTS IN
PARTY ACT IV Il IF S. THE i"RAIN POINTS OF THE -MINISTER'S SPEECH
CONCERNED THE CHANCES FOR A SETTLEMENT WITH EGYPT FOLLOWING DISCUSSIONS
HELD BY THE NEGOTIATING TEAM: (BEGIN RECORDING)
(PEKES-VIDE OTAPEwD) I DO ENT KNOW WHETHER THE ARABS WILL
MOVE TOWARD A SETTLEMEN`T" THIS T ILAE OR NOT--OR WHETHER THEY WILL I
(AGAIN REPEAT THEIR i1I TAKES 1H E WAR WAS FIRST AND FOREMOST AN
ARAB i%}ISTAKE: IT BROUGHT UPON THEM FURTHER WEAKENING, FURTHER
POVERTY, FURTHER MISEHY, F UR'THHilER DISAPPOINTMENT, FURTHER FRUSTRATIONS
AND ANOTHER.-DEFEAT. IF WE AR GOING TO CONDUCT NEGOTIATIONS WE
SHALL CONDUCT THEM WHILE REGARDING NOT WHAT AS-SADAT HAS SAID,
BUT WWHAT'E GYPT NEEDS AND WHAT THE ARAB STATES NEED, AND
WHAT ISRAEL WANTS A :ND WHAT ALL. OF US NEED.
HOWEVER,' EVEN IF WE CONDUCT i?E(OTIATIONS, WE SHALL NOT CREATE A
~SITUAT IOiN IN WHICH ISiti~;l;I WILL LOSE STRATEGIC POSITIONS NEEDED
FOR ITS DEFENSEE, EITHE;} IN SINAI OR IN THE EAST OR ON THE GOLAN
HEIGHTS. THE ARAB LEADERS ARE SAYING THAT WE TOOK LAND AWAY FROM.
THE ARABS. THIS IS TRUE. HOWEVER, HE ARABS TOOK PEACE AWAY FROM US
WHICH IS FAR GRAVER. IT IS NOT WITHIN OUR POWER OR IzJTECNT ION
TO RETURN LAND WITHOUT' THE RETURN OF PEACE. WE HAVE BEEN THREE TIMES--
((APPLAUSE)) WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN SINAI THREE TIMES--DURING THE
WAR OF INDEPENDENCE OF IDF OCCUPIED AL-'ARISH. THE PRIME MINISTER
AT THE TIME, DAVID BEN, GURION, TOLD US TO WITHDRAW FROM AL-'ARISH
iN ORDER ;TO GIVE EGYPT THE OPPORTUNITY NOT TO JOIN THE WAR. WE
WERE IN SINAI IN 1956. WE WITHDREW IN RETURN FOR AN
EGYPTIAN AND AN AMERICAN PROMISE THAT. THE T IRAN STRAITS" WOULD
NOT AGAIN BE BLOCKED--AND THEY BLOCKED IT. AND NOW WE ARE ONCE
AGAIN IN'SINAI--FOR A THIRD TIME. WE DO NOT FEEL LIKE WITHDRAWING
r' FROM SINAI IN ORDER TO OCCUPY IT A FOURTH TIME. (APPLAUSE) THREE'
TIMES IS ENOUGH.
I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY AS-SADAT'S SPEECHES; I DO NOT AWAIT THEM.
IT BECOMES MORE AND MORE LIKE A CARD GAME, AND IF HE SAYS THAT
ISRAEL IS A DAGGER IN THE HEART OF THE ARAB NATION, IT IS HE
WHO HAS TO REPLY AS TO HOW TO NEGOTIATE WITH A DAGGER.
WE KNOW HOW NEGOTIATIONS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED IN ORDER TO BRING
PEACE . WE WILL CONDUCT NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE ARABS A S EQUALS,
WITHOUT DICTATES. IF THEY GIVE--THEY WILL RECEIVE; IF THEY REFUSE--
THEY WON'T GET ANYTHING. THIS WILL DEFINITELY BE CARRIED OUT
Q ON THE BASIS OF -MUTUALITY. (END RECORDING)
26 JUL 1957Z PC/GFE
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(INTERVIEW WITH HAYIM HERTOG, ISRAELI A1SASSADOR-DESIGNATE TO THE
UNITED NATION'S BY GIDE' UN LEV AR 1-TINE AND PLACE NOT GIVEN--
RECORDED)
(EXCERPT) I )0 NOT BELIEVE THAT WE 'WILL BE EXPELLED FROM THE UN
BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A RESOLUTION BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL. THE
WESTERN COUNTRIES HAVE T ?E VETO TOWER THERE, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT
THAT THE VETO WILL DE US ED IN OUR CASE. HOWEVER, AS FOR EXPULSION,
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A COMPLEX MAI1LR JURIDICALLY SPEAKING. IF THE
MAJORITY IN THE ASSE1BLY DECIN , IT CAIN DO AS IT PLEASES IN THE
ASSEMBLY. NATURALLY IT IS IAP(Ma`A1 T THAT THE FOREIGN MINISTER HAS
ALREADY MADE THIS POINT SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT
SUCH AN ACT WOULD ENTAIL,
(QUESTION) WHAT WOULD BE THE RESULTS?
(ANSWER) THAT COULD BE FAR-REACHING, BECAUSE WE MUST BEAR IN MIND
THE DELICATE STRUCTURE OF RELATIONS AROUND ISRAEL'S BORDERS,
!EVEN WITHIN ISRAEL ITSELF, AND WHICH GROUPS ARE BASED ON
SOME SORT Or UN INVOLVEi10-, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THERE ARE ALL
KINDS OF FACTORS. THERE IS THE Uv' EMERGENCY FORCE IN SINAI;
THERE IS UNDOF IN THE NORTH; THERE IS UNTSO, THE OBSERVERS ON THE
LEBANESE BORDER,,; THERE IS UNWRA, REFUGEE CARE--A WHOLE SYSTEIM,
A HOUSE OF CARDS READY TO COLLAPSE IF THIS ACT IS CARRIED THROUGH.
FURTIERMORE, LET US BEAR IN MM1IciD THAT, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, THE
I~NIEHI~1 :ETTLE:l NT TALKS, TOG, /-ARE PARTLY BASED, IN THE FIELD, ON
UN INVOLVEMENT. AND THAT NATURALLY JEOPARDIZES THE ENTIRE UN
INVOLVEMENT, NOT TO ;'TENT IGN THE PRINCIPAL THING,. NAMELY THAT
THE GENEVA CONC1 PT, THE CENEVA TALKS ALSO REPOSE ON UN INVOLVEMENT.
THUS, THOSE WHO LOOK JUST A BIT FURTHER THAN THEIR NOSES SHOULD
BE EXTREMELY WORRIED ABOUT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF RELATIONS AND
THE SEARCH FOR PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THOSE WHO HAVE SUCH A
SCHEME 1IN MIND ARE WELL ADVISE TO THINK NOW OF THE DANGER THAT
SUCH AN' ACTION HARBORS.
(QUESTION) IF THIS HAPPENS, IF ISRAEL' IS OUSTED FROM THE UN
ASSEMBLY, WOULD YOU SAY THE FATE OF THE GENEVA CONFERENCE WOULD
THEN BE SEALED?
ANSWER) IT DEFINITELY SETS A VERY GRAVE QUESTION MARK
AGAINST THE ENTIRE CURRENT POLITICAL CAMPAIGN WHICH SINCE THE
YOM KIPPUR WAR HAS BEEN SET AGAINST THE GENEVA CONFERENCE BACKGROUND.
(QUESTION) IT IS ALMOST CLEAR THAT THERE IS A MAJORITY IN
THE ASSEMBLY FOR A PROPOSAL OF THIS KIND.
(ANSWER) NOT ALMOST, IT'S OBVIOUS.
(QUEEST ION) QUITE OBVIOUS?
(ANSWER) YES, IF THIS ISSUE COMES TO A VOTE (HERZOG
INTERRUPTED--FBIS)
(QUESTION) THEY'LL PASS IT?
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(ANSWER)' THINK THAT THE qCU TWA' 1!A1
AIN "U,110r,r r A14D THAT, BY THE WAY,
EMPHASIZES THE ANNOMALLY AT THE UNITED NATIONS TDOAY--A WORLD
MINORITY DICTATING BY MEANS OF THE ASSEMBLY TO TTE WORLD MAJORITY.
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u THAT DETERMINES MEMBERSHIP
IN Ti* UNITED NATIONS IS AN ATTEMPT TO MINIMIZE, TO ERODE THE
STATUS OF THE 'POWERS IN THE SECURITY COUNCIL. OF THAT THE AMERCANS
AND THE SOVIETS ARE AWARE. SO, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THEY
OPPOSE THIS MOVE; BUT WHEN IT COVES TO A SH OF HANDS, THAT'S A
DIFFERENT MATTER. S0, ARAB INTERESTS, THEIR OWN UNIVERSAL INTERESTS,
ARE WHAT THEY KEEP IN MIND AND I DOUBT THAT THEY WILL
OBJECT TO SUCH A MOVE.
(QUESTION) AND THE AMERICANS, ~iR HERZOC, CAN THE AMERICANS
RAISE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF VOTES IN THE ASSEMBLY?
(ANSWER) .NO, I DON'T THINK SO. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT
SPEAKING IN NUMBERS, THE AMERICANS CAN,, OF COURSE, OBTAIN QUALITY.
WESTERN E~IROPE IS STRONGLY OPPOSED, OTHER ENLIGHTENED STATES PRE SHARPLY
OPPOSED. .'BUT TO SAY THAT TT CAiV r r
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TOrti IS CURRENTLY OPPOSED
TO SUCH AN ACT 9 BECAUSE WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, THE ATTEMPT -TO
GIVE THE ASSEMBLY THE CHAT ~ACTER ~lE A 0
(QUESTION) YES, BECAUSE SOME SMALL PRINCTPALITY HAS ONE VOTE
JUST LIKE THE GREAT UNITE'D STATES.
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(ANSWER) QUITE SO.' THERE ARE ABOUT 5
ST
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ATES IN AFRICA WITH
ABOUT 200;MILLION INHABJTANI S--T}''Y HAVE 50 VOTES?
AND THERE ARE 50 STATES IN THE UNITED STATES WITHt
200 MILLION INHABITANTS, AND THEY HAVE- ONE VOTE.
(QUESTION) DO THE AMERICANS UNDERSTAND THAT?
ANSWER)i I THINK THEY ARE GRAD UALLY BEGINNING TO GRASP IT,
CONSIDERING THAT THEY COVER AHOUT ONE-THIRD OF THE UNITED NATIONS
EXPENSES. ' I WOULD SAY THAT AN ISRAELI OUTSTER WULD ACT AS A
CATALYST PROMPTING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO DISENGAGE ITSELF FROM
THIS FINANCIAL BURDEN.
(QUESTION) YOU SAY BREAK OFF THE FINANCIAL BURDEN, BUT YOU
DO NOT SAY BREAK AWAY FROM THE UNITED NATION'S.
(ANSWER) I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A JURIDICAL PROBLEM
HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHO DECIDES HERE, IS IT UP TO THE PRESIDENT ,
OR IS IT CONGRESS.
C 0 R R E C T I .0 N 7TH LINE OF THE 6TH (ANSWER). SHOULD READ
AS FOLLOWS:
OPPOSE THIS MOVE: BUT WHEN IT COMES
TO A SHOW OF HANDS, THAT'S A
(CORRECTIN3 UPPERCASE)
26 JUL 171OZ PC/GS
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FBIS
JORDANIAN PAPER COMMENTS ON U.S. ARMS DEAL WITH JORDAN
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(TEXT) THE, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOREIGN AFFAIRS
COMMITTEE HAS OPPOSED THE I-}1PLiw ;ENTATION OF THE AIR DEFENSE
WEAPONS DEAL WHICH THE ADMINISTRATION CONCLUDED WITH JORDAN. THE
SENAT1w: FOREIGN RELATIONS COMr1I1 TEE: IS EXPECTED TO FOLLOW SUIT,
DESPITE THE APPEALS BY THE CHL': F OF STAFF` AND THE STATE DEPARTiTiENT
TO APPROVE IT.
THUS THE ZIONIST GROUPS IN T H17 U.S. CONGRESS HAVE BEEN ABLE
TO PUSH THE CONGRESSIONAL COMM T TO COtMMTTr
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INU THE KIND
F POLITICAL FOOLISHNESS WHICH H IGHT LEAD TO A REAL POLITICAL
ILEMiMA SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN WHICH THE ADMINISTRATION FOUND
ITSELF IN TURKEY AS A RESULT OF CONGRESS VOTING AGAINST SUPPLYING
ARMMS TO TURKEY BECAUSE SOME ME riHE S OF TEE CONGRESS WERE
SEEKING THE VOTES OF AMERICANS C1? GREEK ORIGIN IN THE RECENT
BY-ELECT IONS.
THL SHORT-SIGHTED OPPOSITION HAS BEEN AGAINST THE "SIZE OF
THE DEAL." HALF OF THAT DEAL COHLD HAVE BEEN OBTAINED WITHOUT
OPPOSITION. BUT KING HUS/ YN, IN HIS STATEMENT TO THIS NEWSPAPER,
REFUSED TO BARGAIN--EITHER THE '1WHOLE DEAL OR NOTHING. THIS IS
BECAUSE THE PRINCIPLE OF SELF-DE_'1'ENSE AND NATIONAL DIGNITY
ACCEPT NO HALFWAY SOLUTIONS. GTN~_'RWISE THE MATTER BECOMES
ONE OF AN ARMS MONOPOLY SIMILAR TO THE ONE WHICH EXISTED IN THE
FIFTIES AND WHICH THE ARABS WERE ABLE TO 6REAK.
AS THEY ARE INVOLVING THE ADMINISTRATION IN THIS DILEMMA,
THE ZIONIST GROUPS ARE AWARE THAI' BY OBTAINING SUCH SHORT-SIGHTED
RESOLUTIONS THEY ARE TRYING TO CREATE A CLASH--ANY KIND OF CLASH,
THIS IS BECAUSE ZIONISM, AS A MOVES"MENT, SURVIVES AND FLOURISHES
ON CONFLICTS AND CONTRAID ICT IONS. IT IS THE ONLY MOVEMENT THAT
DARES TO DEMONSTRATE IN NEW YORK STREETS AGAINST THE POLICY OF
INTERNATIONAL DETENTE. IT IS THE SAME MOVEMENT THAT IN THE
ADMMMIN I'S RAT ION AND THE U. S. CONGRESS SEEKS TO INCITE A CLASH
BETWEEN THE OIL PRODUCING AND OIL CONSUMING COUNTRIES. IT IS
THE SAME PRESSURE GROUP THAT HAS BEEN BEHIND THE ESCALATION OF
WAR IN VIETNAM AND WHICH IS SEEKING TO DESTROY THE UNITED NATIONS
BECAUSE THE THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES HAVE A POWERFUL VOICE AT THE
WORLD ORGANIZATION AND BECAUSE THE PUBLIC OPINION IN THE THIRD
WORLD WANTS TO EXPEL ISRAEL FROM THE ORGANIZATION FOR ITS
POLITICAL RECKLESSNESS AND ITS DISREGARD FOR THE UN CHARTER AND
OF THE WORLD OPINION. IT IS ALSO THE ACTIVITIES OF THE SAME
GROUPS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THE AREA IN ISRAEL'S DECEIT AND
ARROGANCE.
THE PRINCIPLE OF ARMS MONOPOLY HAS FAILED BOTH IN THEORY AND
IN PRACTICE SINCE 20 YEARS. JORDAN, WHICH IS FACING AGGRESSION
AND THE DANGER OF FUTURE (ISRAELI--FBIS) EXPANSIOiV
WILL NOT BE Al
,. LOSS IN FINDING WAYS TO BUILD ITS AIR DEFENSE, WHETHER (WITH
EQUIPrt1ENT-
FBIa) FROM THE UNITED STATES OR ELSEWHERE.
26 JUL 0855Z -HS./MC
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