REPLY TO MESSAGE FROM AMBASSADOR BYROADE

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: Library of Congress
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): LOC-HAK-203-1-20-2
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• Document Creation Date: January 11, 2017
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• Sequence Number: 20
• Publication Date: January 4, 1974
• Content Type: MEMO

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SECRET/ SENSITIVE (XGDS) January 4, 1970
MEMORANDUM FOR, . GENERAL SCOWCROFT
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
ACTION
Outside System
HAROLD H. SAUNDERS
Reply to. Message from
Ambassador Byroade
Ambassador Byroade has sent you a message (Tab B) 25:25X1
regarding conversations he recently had with Prime Minister Bhutto
and Foreign Secretary Aziz Ahmed on the question of security assistance
for Pakistan. Bhutto and Ahmed emphasized Pakistan's need for
increased US.military assistance and told Byroade that their understanding
of President Nixon's and Secretary Kissinger's position was that the US
would "try to find a way. ",
Byroade points out that Bhutto and Ahmed may be intentionally exaggerating
what the President and the Secretary have told them on this issue. My
own understanding of what the President and the Secretary have said to
the Pakistanis is that US Congressional attitudes make it very difficult
for us to ease our present restrictions on US military assistance to
Pakistan, but that we sympathize with Pakistan's situation and are urging
third countries -.Particularly Iran and China--to be as helpful as possible.
Byroade.
Byroade says he can wait for a clarification of our position until he has
a chance to talk to the Secretary personally. Therefore, no more than
a brief acknowledgement from you seems necessary, although a sentence
could be added on substance if you thought that desirable. A suggested
reply is at Tab A.
RECOMMENDATION. That you send the reply at Tab A to Ambassador
Approve
Disapprove
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DECLAS - Date Impossible to determine.
BYAUTH w Dr. Henry A. Kissinger
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TO
Islamabad - Ambassador Byroade
FROM: White House - General Scowcroft
Thank you for your message on your talks with Bhutto and
Ax z Ahmed on the question of security, assistance. 'x know the
Secretary, will want to talk to you about this issue the next time you
are in Washington.
25X1 IX1
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DECLAS - Date Impossible to Determine,
BYAUTH - Dr, Henry A. Kissinger
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FROM AMBASSADOR BYROADE ISLAMABAD 1144
TO THE WHITE HOUSE FOR BRENT SCOCROFF
1. HOPE YOU HAVE HAD TIM, TO READ AT LEAST PORTIONS
DF AMERICAN EMBASSY ISLAMABAD 1c ON MY TALK WITH AZIZ. AHMEO Cr,*,e5 of
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BHUTTO. WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I DELIBERATELY TONED DOWN REMARKS o_*-t,e .ed~
OF BOTH OF THEM WHEREIN THEY QUOTED THE PRESIDENT AND KISSINGER.
AS REGARDS THE FORMER, THEY SAID THAT THEY BELIEVED, ON THE ALL
IMPORTANT QUESTION-OF SECURITY ASSISTANCE, THAT THE POSITION OF
OUR PRESIDENT WAS "WE WILL TRY TO FIND A WAy". ALSO, THEY EQUATE
,.TO KISSINGER APPROXIMATELY THE-SAME POSITION. BHUTTO SAID THAT
HE DID NOT PRESS KISSINGER ON HIS LAST TRIP THROUGH HERE IN VIEW
OF THE LATTER'S EXTRAORDINARY SCHEDULE AND THE BURDENS. UPON HIM.
HE EPID, HOWEVER, THAT WHILE KISSINGER COULD HAVE PERHAPS
SIMPLIFIED HIS PROBLEMS BY JUST SAYING "NO", HE HAD NOT DONE SOs
MERELY ASKING BHUTTO TO WAIT UNTIL HE COULD EMERGE FROM THE
MIDDLE EAST SITUATION AND HAVE MORE TIME ON THE PROBLEM.
2. I AM AWARE THAT THEY MAY BE EXAGGERATING IN THEIR OWN
BEHALF. THEY MAY ALSO BE TRYING TO JUDGE ME BY TRYING TO FIND
OUT JUST HOW MUCH I KNOW OP RECENT INTIMATE TALKS. THEY MAY ALSO
HOPE I WILL START OFF HERE ACCEPTING THEIR VERSION IF 1 DO NOT
REALLY KNOW. IT MAY OF COURSE ALSO BE..THAT OUR SUPERIORS DID NOT,
WANT TO SIMPLY SAY "NO" AND WERE MAKING NOTHING MORE THAN DIPLOMATIC
STALL IN VIEW OF THE INHERENT DIFFICULTIES OF THE PROBLEM.
3. I REALIZE IT WOULD BE ASKING TOO MUCH TO GET
CLARIFICATION THROUGH ANY CHANNEL OR CLASSIFICATION,-UNTIL
SUCH TIME AS I CAN GET HOME AND PERSONALLY SEE
THE
SECRETARY.
IN THE MEANTIMEs JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOWS AND
WILL
PLAY BY EAR
IRE TRYING TO MAKE UP MY OWN MIND AS TO JUST
WHAT
WE SHOULD DOs
OR NOT DO. REGARDS.
E2.IMPOET
BOo.
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;ALL- IMMPORTAN'T ISSUE OF 3ECUKITY AND MILITARY EQUIPMENT,
FROM WHICH I AM SURE MANY OTHER, OUT ,MUCH SHORTER
'CABLES WILL LATER EMERGE, REFERENCES TO HISTORY
WILL NOT BE REPORTED IN DETAIL-IN-THE-FUTURE BUT ARE
INCLUDED HEREIN PARTLY BECAUSE, TO USE THE SECRETARY#S.
OWN WORDS, HOUR INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY IS 30 SHORT-0%
-,PQRTRAY.. THE .BACKGR.DUNO AS TU HOW WE STARTED OUT ON THE
"CALK, WHICH I WILL' REPORT IN SOME DETAIL AS ,IT WILL'
I CALL. DN HIM LAST NIGHT (DECEMBER 14) AT.. THE NATIONAL.
ASSEMBLY AND WE MAD A PLEASANT 'TALK FOR ABOUT AN HOUR
AND A HALE THAT MAD EVERY APPEARANCE OF BEING A PREP?
LIMINARY FOR A ,SERIOUS T.A.LK..WITH SHUTTO~ THIS TURNED
.-CUT : TD 13E THE CASE, AS EARL?YHTHIS MORNING, I . WAS ASKED
Tp MEET WITH BHUTTO AT NOON FOR A TALK THAT LASTED
SOMEWHAT OVER AN HOURq ' IT WAS A ;VERY WIDE?RANGING-
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_2o BHUTTO ASKED'HOW I WAS'GETTING ON AND I JOKINGLY`
'GEED- IF TOTAL EMBARGO WERE' LIFTEDo HE SAID HE WANTED ME
TG-KNOW THAT HE` PERSONALLY WAS NOT 'TOO CONCERNED
OVER THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, 8UT` THAT ME WAS' GREA'LY
CONCERNED ON THE GENERAL SUBJECT OF SECURITY9 HE SAID
THAT ON HIS RECENT STATE'VISIT'TO WASHINGTON HE!HAD NOT
PRESSED THIS SOBJECT AS-HARD AS. HIS OWN CONSCIENCE TOLD
HIM TO CD, AND, AS OTHERS IN HIS GOVERNMENT AND. MILITARY
'THOUGHT ST' A FAIR ASSUMPTION THAT'."THE 'PROJECT WOULD' PRO..
IIN RESPONSE-TO THIS OWN REMARK HAD.INDICATED.THAT,WE;
WASHINGTON WOULD CERTAINLY SHARE MY OWN APPRECIA1XON OF
-THESE GOOD EFFORTS IN OUR BEHALF.
a'?.BHUTTOTHEN REFERRED TO MY RECENT;-TALK WITH AZIZ'
AHMED ON THE SUBJECT CIFi PROJECT "PEACE INDIGO"- IN'INDIA
(ISLAMABAD 106033 o HE SAID HE HAD ASKED,AZIZ'' ARMED 'TO
SEE: ME, ON THIS AS THE' NEWSPAPER REPORT HERE HAD 'CAUSED
CONSIDERABLE ' DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR 'CURRENT` POLICIES, PAR?~
TICULARLY AMONG 'THE MILITARY. I' SAID I REGRETTED.. THE
'FACT'i THAT WE HAD BEEN UNABLE TO 'TALK ABOUT` IT' PRIOR TO
THE' ARTICLE IN QUESTION, BUT SAID OUR SEARCH OF' THE FILE
HAD' INDICATED THAT WE HAD GONE THROUGH THE PROJECT':COMu?
'PLETELY WITH AZ!Z"ARMED ALMOST EXACTLY A YEAR AGOG AND
TAINLY 'BEEN SUSCEPTIBLETR THE IDEA OF BETTER RELATIDNS1
WITH- THE? U.S. AND SEEMED WILLING TO WORKt IN THAT' DIR?
ECTION. - I THANKED HIM AGAIN AND SAID THAT' l WAS SURE
DIRECTLY TO OUR ATTENIIONa HE!SAID'THAT KISSINGER HAD
ADKED THAT HE DO WHAT'HE COULD TO HELP OUR POSITION IN
'THAT PART OF THE WORLD AND ME HAS BEEN VERY ` GLAD TO
COMPLY IN EACH OF HIS STOPSi-, HE- SAID "THAT' WHILE' REACO
'TIONS HAD NOT BEEN IDENTICAL IN EACH CASE'$ ALL HAD CER-
THAT' AREA, ALTHOUGH THIS IS' THE'-ONLY ONE. -THAT' CAME'
I THANKED HIM FOR THIS 151SPLAY CIF. FRIENOSHIPHFOR'US'
;HEM SAID HE HAD ZN FACT DONE- SO 'IN EACH OF; HIS' STOPS IN
RECENTLY REFERRED TO IN ABU'DHABIP (ABU DHABI 163110
'TOLD HIFI THAT I `HAD BEEN .HELPING WORK ON A COMPUTER -THAT'
'COULD HELP US DETERMINE OUR 'TRUE FRIENDS: WHxCH? HEl HAD
WANTED HIM TO DO# HE .SAID HE- KNEW THAT. THIS' WAS At
DIFFICULT ONE FOR US AND THAT HE THOUGHT IT'WOULD HAVE
BEEN UNKIND OF HIM TO TRY TO MAKE A REAL., ISSUE OF IT
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WITH ALL' THE OTHER PROBLEMS BEING- FACED BY OUR WHITE
,H.OUSE AT-THE TIME, THE MOOD OF THE-CONGRESS, ETC,
NOR, HE SAID, DID HE PRESS KISSINGER AS HARD AS: NEE WANT-
ED TO ON HIS LAST TRIP THROUGH HEEREE, A$: HE' REALIZED
THE VERY GREAT BURDEN HE. WAS CARRYING ON HIS SHOULDERS'
ON OTHER MATTERS OFHEXTREEHE URGENCY AND. IMPORTANCE, HE
HOPED, THEREEFORE, THAT HE AND I COULD ADDRESS.THE~PRO8w
LEM ANEW AND TRY TO GET'TOGETHER IN OUR THINKING,,- l
TOLD HIM I WAS EAGER TO HAVE'HIS VIEWS IN ANY DETAIL
HE WISHED, I SAID I WAS OF COURSE HERE TO CARRY OUT
'PRESENT U,S, .POLICY AS DETERMINED By OUR PRESIDENT
'TO THE VERY BEST OF MY ABILITY. ON 'THE OTHER HAND, I t
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HIS OWN VIEWS ON THESE POLIcII~S, ?AND NOW THEY MIGHT
BE IMPROVED UPON WHEN POS3IE1.E9.
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'4, DHUTTD SAID TH'AT' THE DISPARITY OF MILITARY' STRENGTH
'IN THE REGION WAS BECOMING TOO GREAT, TO BE SAFELY...
LIVED WITH. HE MENTIONED FIRST "THE BREiZMNEV VISIT`-
TO DELHI AND SAID THEY HAD INFORMATION# OF WHICH HE
WAS NOT YET COMPLETELY CERTAIN, THAT SUBSTANTIAL`ADOIS,
TIONAL MILITARY EQUIPMENT WOULD-FLOW TO INDIA FROM
THOSE MEETINGS. ME'SAID THAT INDIA NOW SEEMED EAGER TO
RESTORE PEACE WITH CHINA, $0 THERE-SEEMED TO E. NO OTHER
NATION THAT INDIA HAD IN MIND IN INCREASING HER ARMAMENTS
THAN PAKISTAN, HE SAID THEY ALSO FELT-, IN SPIT!'OF
PUBLIC ASSURANCES TO THE. CONTRARY, THAT:THERE MAY-'HAVE
BEEN SOME SOVIET?INDIAN UNDERSTANDING ON THE PROPOSED
AREA COLLECTIVE SECURITY PACT, HE SAID HE HAD HEARD
'TWO REPORTS, ONE WAS-THAT INDIA HADAGREEED TO'JOIN SUCH
A PACT AFTER RELATIONS WITH CHINA HAD BEEN RESTORED TO
'THE AMBASSADORIAL: LEVEL. THE"! OTHER REPORT WAS THAT
INDIA HAD AGEEED TO LOBBYING FOR THE IDEA AMONG OTHER
NATIONS AND TO GO AHEAD ANDJOIN.AFTER OTHERS HAD'B;EN
, -RECRUITED, THE REPORT WAS THAT JAPAN AND INDONESIA
WOULn Sc. THE FIRST TO BE APPROACHED, HE SAID ADAM
MALIK HAD TOLD HIM SOMETIME-AGO OF HIS OWN SURPRISE WHEN
THE INDIANS TALKED TO HIM FAVORABLY ABOIIT-'THE IDEA OF
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BQ 1 TOLD HIM I WOULD LIKE TO 'COMMENT' BRIEFLY ON SOME
OF HIS REMARKS AND THEN GET MORE INTO THE SECURITY
QUESTION. I SAID OUR INTERPRETATION 30 FAR WAS A' LITTLE
BIT'DIFFERENT AS REGARDS THt $REZHNEV-VISIT, AOMTTTING: .
THAT. OFi COURSE, WE 'COULD NOT' BE SURE. WE DID NOT'KNOW
AS. YET WHETHER ANY INCREASEQ MILITARY EUUZPMENT
TO INDIA WAS AGREED UPDNa WE KNEW THAT ECONOMICCOO2ERu-
ATION HAD BEEN STRESSED,,BUT AGAIN 00 NOT KNOW EXACT
NAYURE OF ANY AGREEMENTSG ON THE18AIAN SECURITY PACT WE
WERE INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT-INDIA MADE IT CLEAR-PRIV?.
ATELY THAT SHE DID NOT WANT AT.'TMIS TIME TO GET INVOLVED,
AND WAS STRONG ON THIS TO THE POINT' WHERE'BREZHNEV DID
-NOT MAKE A PUBLIC PITCH FOR IT WHICH HAD BEEN EXPECTED,.
WE WERE OF?COURSE WATCHING ALL.THIS(CLOSELY TO SEE WHAT'
WILL FOLLOW.
8. AS REGARDS HIS GENERAL 'PROBLEM OF SECURITY AND--
MILITARY EQUIPMENT, I SMILINGLY SAID THAT I OFTEN WONOERw-
'ED WHY 1 DID NOT HAVE MORE SENSE THAN TO'WILLINGLY WALK
.BACK INTO THIS PROBLEM AGAIN. I TOLD HIM I HAD SEEN
NOT TO BE REPRODUCED WITHOUTS ~&. JTHORIZATION OF THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY
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DEEPLY INVOLVED iN 'THIS AT ' THE?TIME' OF THE FIRST DECISION'
-THAT AMERICA WOULD SUPPLY EUUXPMENT:WHICH WAS IN'THE
`EARLY 5393o I SAID AS ! KNEW THAT HE AND I DURING' MY'
TOUR HERE WOULD SPEND A.LOT OF TIME ON THIS SUBJECT,.I'T'
OCCURRED TO ME THAT'WE MIGHT START OFF KNOWING EACH
OTHER FETTER. AND ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHERIS
?PROBLEMS BETTER,HIF WE SPENT A'FEW MINUTES IN TH!$
FIRST TALK ON SOME OF ITS HISTORY, HE SAID THAT WAS
ANYWHERE IN'THE WORLD. GHULAM MOHAMMED, THE THEN'GOVER