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U. S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT January 8, 1973
William B. Timmons, Assistant to the
Pre,iident for Congressional Relations,
has been given greater power and
new responsibilities. Under the new
setup, Mr. Timmons will interview
and select men to fill congressional-
liaison jobs in all Cabinet departments
-not just the White House. This is
added evidence of how power is being
concentrated at the top. Formerly,
Cabinet members chose their own con-
gressional-liaison men.
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DATE !-- J PAGE_ I
Nixon to Upgrade. Hill Liaison
By David S. Broder
Washington Post Staff Writer
President Nixon is prepared to make
his most senior staff members availa-
ble to groups of senators and repre-
sentatives for "give-and-take"' discus-
sion of all issues that may arise in
Congress this year, the head of the
White House legislative liaison staff
said.
The offer of extensive, informal con-
sultations with such top presidential
advisers as H.R. (Bob) Haldeman, John
I). Ehrlichman, Henry A. Kissinger
and Peter M. Flanigan came from Wil-
liam E. Timmons, the assistant to,the
President for congressional relations.
It was but one of several concilia-
tory steps outlined by Timmons in a
lengthy interview last week, all de-
signed to smooth over points of con-
flict that arose in the past two Years
between the Democratic Congress and
Republican White House.
~w..1'he President's top lobbyist also
said Mr. Nixon would seek to upgrade
departmental legislative liaison jobs to
meet complaints from Congress and
would publicly support congressional
efforts to improve' the legislative
budget process.
The latter step, Timmons said, could
avert any repetition of last year's bit-
ter quarrel between Congress and the
['resident over the control of Federal
expenditures.
The 42-year-old head of the White
'Cnuse Congressional relations staff
H. R. HALDEMAN JOHN EHRLICHMAN
these Nixon advisers would have informal talks- with congressmen.
said that Mr. Nixon was determined to
do what he could to ease conflicts over
executive privilege, the control of
spending and the handling of legisla-
tive requests.
Of the three, the offer of informal
consultations with top-level White
House staffers represented perhaps
the biggest step by the President to
meet Capitol Hill criticisms:
Senators aid_' Representatives of
both parties ha* `;,charged that Mr.
Nixon has centralized decision-making
in his White Hottse staff members,
who, unlike Cabinet officials, can in-
voke the doctrine of executive privi-
lege to refuse testimony to congres-
sional committees handling legislation
in their areas of responsibility.
The Senate Government Operations
Committee, under its' new chairman,
Sen. Sam J. Ervin Jr, (D-N.C.), is ex-
pected to challenge this. authority in
hearings this winter. .
SeeHILL, A16, Col. 2
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HILL, From Al
Timmons said in the tape-recorded
interview that Mr. Nixon "actually has
not exerted executive privilege as
much as other Presidents have." He
said White House records indicate only
three instances when congressional re-
quests were refused on grounds of ex-
ecutive privilege in Mr. Nixon's first
four years in office.
He also said that, without publicity,
meetings had been arranged with in-
terested legislators and such men as
Daniel P. Moynihan, former counselor
to the President, domestic affairs chief
Ehrlichman and national security ad-
viser Kissinger. The Kissinger ses-
sions, he said, were held "informally at
the Blair House and at Bill Fulbright's
house and other places." (Sen. J. W.
Fulbright of Arkansas is chairman of
the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee.)
Now, Timmons said, "I have a plan
working" that would broaden those
conferences into a. program of regular
"working lunches" or meetings be-
tween senior White House staff mem-
bers and leading members of Congress
involved with a particular issue.
"I'd like to see regular meetings, ei-
*' -r down here or up on the Hill," he
"with a good give-and-take issue
Z hange.... I hope we can do a lot of
that this next year."
Timmons said the timing and format
of the sessions had not yet been dis-
cussed with congressional leaders but
that the project had the endorsement
of the senior White House aides who
would be involved.
Timmons specified in. the interview
that the meetings would have to be in-
formal sessions, without a record or
transcript, "not because there is some-
thing to hide, but because I'm afraid if
it becomes a matter of record, it sets a
precedent for them demanding it in
the future. I think we've got to protect
the President from that."
He also said the sessions could not
violate "the tradition that White House
staff people do not talk about personal
communications with the President."
Whether meetings held under those
restrictions would satisfy congres-
sional demands for access to adminis-
tration decision-making is not clear.
But Timmons said that "if they (the
members of Congress) are not trying
to demagogue it or trying to bring in
cameras and embarrass us ... if they
are sine rely interesting in trying to
find out. omething that they feel is im-
p- `ant," the top White House staffers
je available to them.
' n the question of control of fed-
real spending, which provoked a major
showdown with Congress at the end of
the 1972 session, Timmons said "this
President would be perfectly happy
for Congress" to set its own budget
ceiling.
"As long as it's reasonable," he said,.
"the President would accept that."
There might still be disagreements be-
tween Congress and the Executive
over the proper funding level for spe-
cific programs, but Timmons said:
"If they (the House and Senate)
would get together ... and set a ceil-
ing based on expected income, I think
the President would be very happy
with that."
The congressional liaison chief said
he thought the President might use
the State of the Union address later
this month "to prod" Congress to im-
prove its own budgetmaking mecha-
nism into something that would give it
tighter control of fiscal policy than the
existing system of more than a dozen
separate appropriations bills.
"There is some resentment in Con-
gress over the President interfering
with . . . their own procedures," he ac-
knowledged. "And I recognize that.
But this area is so important ... I
would hope to see him make some
statements either in the State of the
Union message or in a press confer-
ence . . . urging them to come up with
one."
Timmons said his own suggestion
would be that the Democratic and Re-
publican leaders of the House and Sen-
ate, the members of the House Ways
and Means and Senate Finance com-
mittees and the two Appropriations
Committees "get together and come up
with what they feel is a proper ceil-
ing" on spending.
"I'm talking about those that really
have power . . . agreeing informally, if
not formally, after consulting with the
administration and the membership of
House and Senate . . . and putting out
a statement they could all sign, saying
we think the budget for next year
ought to be such-and-such a figure,
based on projected income.
"They could say we have consulted
and we think that such-and-such a per-
centage of this should be for defense,
and so much for veterans, and so on,
and therefore we urge the committees
concerned to work within these guide-
lines."
Timmons called this "a practical
first step" toward congressional con-
trol of spending, even if the recom-
mendation is neither binding nor unan-
imous. "It would be an easy first step
for them," he said, "and it would show
their interest and concern" about the
spending problem.
Timmons said Mr. Nixon "wants to
get the best quality people in the de-
partments' and agencies' " congres-
sional liaison jobs "and wants them to
carry a greater burden of their own
legislative program load" in the next
four years.
To that end, he said, the President
will seek, legislative authority to up-
grade the congressional liaison job in
each department to the assistant-secre-
tary level. At present, he said, only the
State Department and the Department
of Health, Education and Welfare con-
fer that status on their top Capitol Hill
lobbyist.
Timmons said "the President. feels it
(the upgrading) would behelpful in at-
tracting qualified people, in getting
them involved in policy formulation,
and in having them perceived as the
President's men, carrying presidential
commissions."
The fact that they would have to be
confirmed in their jobs by the Senate
would require Congress "to acknowl-
edge that they accept these guys in
their role," he added.
Timmons said that the White House
"is recommending to the Cabinet offi-
cers those we think are qualified" for
the proposed new jobs "and they in
turn ... will make their own determi-
nation. So far there has been no con-
flict ... A Cabinet officer wouldn't
want to put a congressional guy on
that couldn't work with us, and cer-
tainly we wouldn't want to put a guy
on that couldn't work with his Cabinet
officer."
He said the names of the new de-
partmental liaison officers would be
released later.
"If we have capable people in all the
departments, we feel it can take a load
off of us," Timmons said. He is going
into the new Congress with :four of the
same assistants he had last year -
Richard K. Cook, Max L. Friedersdorf,
Wallace H. Johnson and Tom C. Koro-
logos. Two others who have worked
with him - William Gifford and John
Nidecker - have taken other assign-
ments. -
Timmons said he hoped the upgrad-
ing of the departmental liaison jobs
"would ease a lot of friction that may
have existed in the past. Members say
such-and-such a ' Cabinet officer
`doesn't know who I am, and I serve on
his committee.' Well, that's bad."
"By the end of June, I will be sur-
prised if they complain they can't get
through to the Cabinet officer or can't
get through to anybody in the depart-
ment. I will be very much surprised if
there are any complaints like that."
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white. House Eyes the Hill
Nixon's Liaison Man Warns of End-War Mood
By David S. Broder But Timmons said that in February, net increase in the house" resulted
Washington Post Starr writer we may see some movement" on anti- from Republicans replacing southern
The top White House lobbyist has war resolutions. He noted that, the for- Democrats "who voted. about the same anyway.? In the Senate, he said, con
advised President Nixon that he "can elgn, aid program is being funded un- servative Republicans' victories in New
expect some trouble" from Capitol Hill der a continuing resolution that ex- Mexico. Oklahoma, Virginia and North
if there is no end-the-war agreement pires Feb. 28. Carolina were about offset by the
by spring. That would seem to me to be a ve- defeat or retirement of Republican in,
William E. Timmons, the head of the hicle for them to tack on some Viet- cumbents in Colorado, Iowa, Delaware,
President's congressional liaison office, nam resolutions," the presidential as- Maine .gnd South Dakota.
said, "I don't think there will be any sistant said. ""So I think the complexion of the
Vietnam resolutions . passed in the "A lot depends on what happens be-
month of January" and "I am eau- tween now and, say, Feb. 1," Timmons
tiously optimistic that we can get into continued. It depends on if we are Senate will 'be` about the same," he
the spring if it takes that long." back at the table. If we're engaged in said and a lot will depend on three
But he warned that at some point, I very sensitive negotiations with Henry key guys," tSienew Democratic sena-
don't know when it is exactly, if there (Kissinger) ... over In Paris, I' think tors from Kentucky, Georgia and Loui-
is no movement in Paris and the war the Senate is responsible enough to go siana.
continues, I think that they could try ahead and see it through for a while Kentucky's retiring Republican sena-
to take it away from the President." longer. So, I am cautiously. optimistic tor, John Sherman' Cooper, was with
Timmons, 42, a `Tennessean who that we will get into the spring if it the administration on a number of is-
came to the White House from the takes that long ... without any restric- sues, Timmons said[, "but on a num-
staff of Sen. Bill Brock (It'I'cnn.), dis her he was quite independent of the
cussed the prospects of revived con- administration and actually opposed
t'ressional debate on Vietnam during Lions on the President through appro- it.,,
priations or authorizations.
-A IP Referring to Cooper's successor,
an interview in his office last week, ?b,-4 ? h
e
unbing above the 20th parallel, there is no movement or any .tuna, we Ky.) Tirmmons said, "I think Huddle-
FW In the course of the tape-recorded can expect some trouble on that issue stop will probably swing from issue to
interview, he also: ... The Senate has passed end-the-war issue much in the same way Cooper
? Discounted the effect of 11 oubli- bailed things out on before, them and in the House conference, but did, although the issues may be differ
u
can disaffection from the President be- ent.
that forever, you know... they are not ouikg to continue to do Timmons said it will be the same
-
cause of his limited personal campaign with Sam Nunn replacing Dave Gain-
"At some point, if there is no move-
ment in Paris and if the war continues,
ing. I think they could try to take it away men are Democrats, but Nunn de-
s Pinpointed three freshman South from the President," Timmons said. feated Gambrell in the primary.
ern Democrats as keys to the balance "But, again, I am optimistic that isn't "Gambrell was hardly an administra-
of the new senate. going to happen. I just think that what tion supporter," Timmons said, "and I
? Said. that, overall, the new Con-. the President is doing is going to work think there is a hope that Sam Nunn
gress should not, be much harder or and that we are going to have may support the administration more
fan ll did."
easier for the President to deal with agreement... before they are com- than late Sen.
than the old one. pelled to do that." Timmons Gambre Allen characterized didEllender ) as s "a the maverick
In discussing the possibility of a new "I think that most of the members of in some ways. He was generally sup-
conflict between Congress and the Congress are really pulling for the portive but he went off on his own
President over Vietnam, Timmons said President to pull it off. They'd love to some"
that although "there will. be some talk get the thing behind them ... and they He said it remains to be seen how"
when they are all back together again know he's working his heart out to do Ellender's successor, Sen. J. Bennett
I don't think they will. start any res- it. To even insinuate that he isn't re- Johnston, Jr. (D) "will. do down there."
olutions until after they've got their ally seeking peace is absurd, He has "Those are the three keys," Tim-
committees organized. and .heard the everything to gain by peace... mops said. "If all three of. them align
State of the Union and so forth." .'But," Timmons said; "I am also on the anti-Administration side, then
He said he did not expect the bomb- aware that if they're not meeting in we have got some bad troubles. I .could
Paris, if there is no on-going negotia- not expect that they would align with
ing renewed Dec. 18 and halted yes-
terday or the breakdown in negotia- tion, and the, bofnbing is still going the administration consistently. I
tions to become "an issue in the confir-, on, and there is no light at the end of think more often they are going to be
mation hearings" of Elliot L. Richard- the tunnel, that they are going to start jumping, depending on the issues, be-
son as secretary of defense or on moving" on Capitol Hill. administration forces . so I think it
several appointees to second-echelon The White House legislative chief Administration forces ... so I think it
I in the State and Defense Depart- said that despite the two-seat Demo- is kind of a wash."
inrrris. The President hopes to see cratic gain in the Senate and the 13- The presidential aide said he was
those appointments cleared by the seat Republican Pickup in the House, aware there Is "some resentment
Armed Services and Foreign Relations "I don't really see any big philosophi- among Republicans about what the
Committees and confirmed by the Sen ent did and didn't do for them'
ate before his Jan. 20 ina K( AVed For Re $ 56llb?od 5b I.IHSKU Ab00380 esid40$i g.1'811Vy rosy feel that if
the Administration isn't going to sup-
port them when they need help, why
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should they support the administra-
tion, particularly on difficult issues?"
"Frankly," Timmons said, "I think
that is a wrong approach for them to
take, because I believe the President
did quite a bit for candidates on the
Hill."
He mentioned letters of endorse-
ment, pictures in the Oval Office, tele-
vision and radio clips, adding that "he
sent out surrogates for them all over
the place, to the point that some dis-
tricts and states said, 'Oh my gosh, no
more surrogates!'."
Timmons said, "I have reason to be-
lieve that there was some money
probably channeled into some areas
... When a. big giver gave. as much as
he felt he could give to the President's
re-election, it was suggested that he
give some to some selected candidates,
around."
He said he and his aides had alerted
'ndidates to "issues we thought might
useful," like the spending ceiling,
and that "on the last weekend the
President called a number of Republi-
cans running for statewide office .
and urged them to turn out a big vote
and wished them well."
Timmons said "the big criticism we
hear is that the. President didn't come
in and personally campaign. I am not
convinced that the mere presence of
the President in a city or a town neces-
sarily elects the candidate there."
"So I think that if members are up-
set, they really have little cause to be.
In fact, the Senators that lost-the
Senate candidates-I think you can
probably pin that on local issues more
than the President's participation or.
lack of it."
But Timmons conceded that what-
ever the merits of the argument, "the
Republican members may be a little
more independent because they feel
that the President and the administra-
tion didn't take care of them. And that
could be harmful"
Also, he noted, they know "the Presi-
. dent will not be running again ... and
they may be a little more independent
for that reason."
"On the. other hand," he said,
"working for us is . . the fact that
the Democrats don't have to worry
about cutting him down, because he's
not going to be a candidate again .. .
And that will help us a little bit.
`Also, they have to recognize that
this President has some support
around the country-61 per cent is a
pretty healthy margin. The Democrats
will probably be reluctant to take him
on frontally, considering his mandate."
"There are some minuses up there
and some pluses," Timmons concluded.
"On balance, I don't see the 93d Con-
gress much different in terms of party
ratios, in terms of philosophy, in terms
of partisan attitude. I think we will
have to go up and sell each bill on its
merits, just like we have tried to do in
the past."
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HIGHLIGHTS
Deily Digest
dN 3
0raffiJP9;$-716, 1973
Senate Armed Services Committee reported nomination of Elliot L. Richard-
son, to be Secretary of Defense.
Senate
Chamber Action
Routine Proceedings, pages S 615-S 696, S 725-
S 793
Bills Introduced: 47 bills and 7 resolutions were intro-
duced, as follows: S. 367-413; S.J. Res. ig-ao;_ S. Con.
Res. 2-4; and S. Res. 18-i9. Pages S 624-S 625, S 685-S 688
Budget ,Economic Report: Senate agreed to the
House amendment to the Senate amendment to H.J.
Res. i, extending until January 29, 1973, the time for
the President to submit his Budget for fiscal year 1974,
and until January 31, 1973, the time for him to submit
his Economic Report, thus clearing the measure for
the White House. Pages S 696-S 697
Vice-Presidential Appointments: Vice President ap-
pointed Senators Baker and Domenici to the Senate
Office Building Commission. Page S 623
Committee on Aging: By unanimous consent, Senator
Fannin was removed from membership on the Special
Committee on Aging. Page S 619
Committee Authority To Report: By unanimous con-
sent, Committee on Armed Services was authorized,
during the adjournment of the Senate until Thursday,
January 18, to report the nominations of Elliot L. Rich-
ardson, to be Secretary of Defense, William P. Clements,
Jr., to be Deputy Secretary of Defense, and James R.
Schlesinger, to be Director of Central Intelligence; and
Committee on Finance was authorized, during the same
period, to report the nominations of Caspar W. Wein-
berger, to be Secretary of HEW, and Frank C. Carlucci,
to be Under Secretary of HEW. Pages S785-S 786
Saturday-Session: Leadership announced that Senate
will meet at Io:3o a.m. on Saturday, January 20, for the
purpose of gathering to attend ceremonies for the Inau-
guration of the President and Vice President of the
United States. Page S 785
Confirmations: Senate confirmed the nominations of-
William E. Simon, of New Jersey, to be Deputy Sec-
retary of the Treasury; and
Edward L. Morgan, of Arizona, to be an Assistant
Secretary of the Treasury.
Nominations: Senate received the following
nominations :
Thomas F. McCormick, of Connecticut, to be Public
Printer;
Frank E. Fitzsimmons, of Maryland, to be a member
of the board of directors of the Communications Satel-
lite Corporation; and
One Navy nomination in the rank of admiral, and
lists of nominations in the Air Force and Coast Guard.
Pages S 786-S 793
Program for Thursday: Senate met at noon and ad-
journed at 3:32 P.M. until noon on Thursday, Janu-
ary 18, when Senators Bellmon, Allen, .Hatfield, Buck-
ley, Javits, Case, Harry F. Byrd, Jr., and Robert C. Byrd,
will each be recognized for periods not to exceed 15
minutes, following which there will be a period for the
transaction of routine morning business not to exceed
i hour. Pages S 615, S 696, S 785, S 786
Committee Meetings
(Committees not listed did not meet)
Committee on Armed Services: Committee, in execu-
tive session, ordered favorably reported the nomina-
tions of Elliot L. Richardson, to be Secretary, and Wil-
liam P. Clements, Jr., to be Deputy Secretary, both of
the Department of Defense; and James R. Schlesinger,
to be Director of Central Intelligence.
Subsequently, these nominations were reported to
the Senate.
Committee on Armed Services: Subcommittee on Gen-
eral Legislation received a briefing on the military dis-
ability retirement system from Lt. Gen. Leo E. Benade,
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CON(RESSIONAL RECORD - DAILY DIGEST Jaintari/ 16, 1973
Next mewing of the SENATE
12 =noon, Thursday, January 18
),-puty Assistant Secretary for Military Personnel Pol-
Department of Defense.
Subcommittee adjourned subject to call.
.O)ntnittee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs:
;nmtrlittce, in executive session, adopted rules govern-
no committee procedure for the pad Congress. In addi-
acar, , it was announced that subcommittees will be
composed of seven members, with the exception of the
and Urban Affairs, which
;llbcomrnittee on Housing
have nine members. Committee also approved crea-
,,r of a new Subcommittee on Consumer Credit.
Committee will meet tomorrow, in open session, on
the nomination of James T. Lynn., to be Secretary of
HUD, to be followed by an executive session on this
nomination and other committee business.
NOMINATION
Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs: Committee
began hearings on the nomination of John C. Whitaker,
of Maryland, to be Under Secretary of the Interior, re-
ceiving testimony from Senators Mathias and Beall; and
Rogers C. B. Morton, Secretary of the Interior. The
nominee was present to testify and answer questions on
his own behalf.
Hearings continue on Thursday, January 18.
House of Representatives
11;'hamber Action
The House was not in session today. Its next meeting
wig:. be held at noon on Thursday, January 18.
Next meeting of the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
12 noon, Thursday, January 18
COMMITTEE MEETINGS FOR WEDNESDAY,
JANUARY 17
,Ill meetings are open unless othcrwi e designated)
S. nate
>rnmi,'-tee on Agriculture and Forestry, executive, organi-
ui,,nal meeting, 10 a.m., 324 Russell Office Building.
~;nrnmittee on Banking, Housing and Urban A$airs, to hold
,ealidlgs on the nom=nation of James T. Lynn, to be Secretary
?i H:1 1D, to he followed by an executive session on this nomi-
,adsi and other committee business, lu a.m,, 5302 Dirksen
)H ;e Building.
f,o'nmittee on the Judi iarv. to hold hearings on the nomina-
l "lis of Joseph T. Sneed, to be Deputy Attorney General, and
ohert H. Bork, to be Solicitor General of the United States,
Committee Meetings
COMMITTEE BUSINESS
Committee on Appropriations: Subcommittees on De-
fense and Military Construction held a joint executive
meeting with CIA Director Helms on special intelli-
gence matters.
both of the Department of justice, 10:30 a.m., 2228 Dirkscn
Office Building.
Committee on Labor and Public Welfare, to hold hearings in
connection with the nomination of Caspar W. Weinberger, to
be Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare, 9:30 a.m., 4232
Dirksen Office Building.
Committee on Rules and Administration, executive, on com-
mittee business, l0 a:m., 301 Russell Office Building.
House
Committee on Appropriations, Subcotrunittee on .Defense,
executive, to a.m., H-14o Capitol.
Committee on Foreign Affairs, Subcommittee on Europe, to
continue hearings on European reactions to recent developments
in Vietnam, to a.m., 2200 Rayburn Building.
Extensions of Remarks, as inserted in this issue
SENATE HOUSE Crane, Philip M., Ill., E229
Fascell. Dante B., Fla., E226
su ro,h, Frank, Idaho. E225 Ashbrook, John M., Ohlo, E227 Rosenthal, Benjamin S., N.Y., E221
hair , Jesse A., N.C., E221 Brademas, John, Ind., E223, E231 Scherie, William J., Iowa, E231
iv sicker, Lowell P., Jr., Conti., E222 Carter, Tim Lee, Ky., E226, E232 Thompson, Frank, Jr., N.J., E232
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some questions about some domestic matters Sider refusing the nominations if it is not
in just a moment. Right now back to Frank satisfied with their testimony. There's a eos-
in New York. sibility down the road that it might cut off
McGEE. And we will return to Washington funds for some of the activities in those
shortly. We'll be back after this message. various departments. But I think the Presi-
dent's opening up a can of worms.
McGEE. Democratic Senator Robert Byrd MONROE. Senator, would you foresee any
of West Virginia, the Majority Whip in the possibility that somebody like the President's
Senate, is in our Washington studio with nominee for Secretary of Housing and Urban
Today Washington editor Bill Monroe and Development, Mr. James Lynn-that the Sen-
our congressional correspondent Paul Duke. ate might hold up that appointment unless
And, Senator, before we turn to domestic the administration gives assurance that cer-
affairs, as Bill said we would, I would like to taro housing monies that the Senate wants
ask one more question. about Vietnam. What spent will be spent?
chance do you give the current phase of Kis- Senator BYRD. I think there's a possibility
singer-Le Due Tho talks, which started in and I think it ought to. I think Congress has
Paris today-do you think there's a chance to utilize the instruments by which it can
for them? make its power felt.
Senator BYRD. I do. I think ... MONROE. What do you think's going to
McGEE. Could you tell-please go ahead. happen in the argument between the Con-
Senator BYRD. I think there Is a chance. i gress and the White House over spending
feel that if our own negotiators will demon- of funds that the Congress has authorized
strate persistence and patience-I know that spent and that the President doesn't want to
the meetings have been frustrating-and if spend, such as in the water cleanup bill?
the Soviet Union and the Red Chinese would
apply some pressure on the North Vietnam-
ese, I think we can get an agreement. We
were led to believe that we were close to one,
and I think that we can get one.
MONROE. Paul?
DUKE. Senator Byrd, as you know, there is
considerable sentiment in Congress now for
challenging the President on a variety of
matters, not just on the war, but on the fact
that he is not spending all the money ap-
propriated by Congress, on the fact that he
doesn't let White House people come up and
testify on the Hill. Do you think that Con-
gress will do anything? Do you think that
Congress will now try to regain some of the
power which it has given up to the Executive
Branch?
Senator BYRD. I think it will. But whether
it can mount a sustained effort is the real
question.
DUKE. Well, now, as one example, the Pres-
ident recommended in 1970 a rather exten-
sive reorganization program for Cabinet
agencies. Congress sat on this and did noth-
Ing. Now Mr. Nixon has moved to implement
this on his own by naming three members
of the Cabinet to be super Cabinet officers.
Does this offend you, that he has done this
without getting Congress's approval?
Senator BYRD. I appreciate the President's
desire to relieve the government of its
muscle-bound condition, to use his phrase. I
also share his desire to streamline the gov-
ernment and to get some better control over
the sprawling bureaucracy. However I think
that he's going about it in the wrong way. I
think this is a terrible mistake, this appoint-
ing of three super Secretaries to form a-a
super Cabinet. I think that it will create di-
vision and friction and ill will among the
various departments. It is a downgrading of
the departments of Commerce, Labor, Trans-
portation, and Interior. I think that it will
result in a fragmentation of responsibility,
an overlapping of jurisdiction, a diffusal of
authority that can only contribute to gov-
ernmental schizophrenia and departmental
chaos and confusion.
DUKE. Isn't it also a downgrading of Con-
gress? Because he is doing it-in effect, he
is thumbing his nose at Congress and saying,
"I'm going to do this regardless of what
Congress thinks."
Mr. Ehrlichman, the President's assistant,
said yesterday that some of these laws have
mandatory language in them and indicate
that the funds must be spent, but other laws
such language is not present and that in
those cases the White House feels that the
President can spend or not spend as he
wishes.
Senator BYRD. Some of the impoundments
are legal; some of them are mandated. But
in most of these instances that we're talking
about, they're not. And here's where the
danger lies. I think that Congress ought to
write into some of the bills a mandatory
provision that the monies be spent for the
purposes intended.
MONROE. How about the withholding of
the water cleanup funds, where the President
is spending about $5 billion out of 11 billion
that the Congress wanted spent-is that a
proper impoundment in your opinion?
Senator BYRD. I don't think so. Now, the
funds haven't actually been appropriated.
What he's doing, really, is impounding obli-
gational authority, which is the same thing.
DUKE. Senator Byrd, one of the reasons the
administration is trying to hold down federal
spending, of course, is to avoid a tax increase.
Do you think it will succeed in this objective?
Or do you foresee still the possibility of a tax
increase in 1973?
Senator BYRD. I think there's the possi-
bility of a tax increase. But I do feel that
both the Congress and the Executive are
going to exercise some degree of responsibility
In holding down spending, so that perhaps a
tax increase can be put off.
MONROE. Along the lines Paul is talking
about, isn't there a valid argument that
comes from White House people that the
Congress has been irresponsible about spend-
ing and that one reason the President's got
to hold these funds back is that the Congress
doesn't count up how much it's spending in
relation to keeping the budget down?
Senator BYRD. There is some validity to'
that. There are many times when Senators
offer amendments to appropriation bills on
the Senate floor on which there have been no
hearings, and of course these increase the
overall funds. There has been this irrespon-
sibility, if we might term it that.
DUKE. We're hearing new talk, too, about
some kind of tax reform bill that would re-
move som
f th
i
iti
e
nequ
es from the tax
y o
Senator BYRD. I don't think there's an
question about it. The Congress will have system. Is this a possibility this year?
difficulty in finding out where the power Senator BYRD. It's a possibility. Mr. Mills
has indicated that a tax reform bill might
lies. One Secretary will. make a statement, come along. I would rather think that it
and another Secretary will refute that state- would be late in the year, if at all this year,
ment. and possibly next year.
DUKE. Well, what's Congress going to do DUKE. What about welfare reform? Is that
about it? a possibility?
Senator BYRD. I hope that Congress will Senator BYRD. There is no question but
go into it very thoroughly when it considers there is need for welfare reform. But I don't
the nominations of Mr. Weinberger and Mr. foresee it coming along.
Lynn. And I hope that it will possibly con- MONROE. Do you see any sweeping reforms
of congressional procedures coming out of
this session, Senator? There's been a lot of
talk about reforms In relation to seniority,
about reforms in relation to information
gathering, bringing In computer.. and rais-
ing staffs and that sort of thing.
Senator BYRD, I don't see any fundamental
changes coming along, no.
MONROE. Do you think they're needed?-
Senator BYRD. I think that senators need
to reform themselves. I don't think the fault
is in our stars so much as it is in ourselves.
I think that if senators would stay on the
job, and stop running around the country
and making speeches, and apply themselves
to the work, and not be absent, I think that
we could get a lot more done, A few com-
puters perhaps, yes. But why have a $100,000
computer standing around for use three days
out of 365? The Congress has the General
Accounting Office, the Comptroller General's
Office, with 5,000 employees; this is an arm
of the Congress. Why doesn't the Congress
utilize these 5,000 men more?
MONROE. Aren't you talking about a reform
of human nature, Senator? -
Senator BYRD. No, I'm just talking about a
reform of our own working habits.
DUKE. And when you suggest that sen-
ators shouldn't be running around the coun-
try, are you suggesting there should be no
more senators running for President?
Senator BYRD. Well, I'm not suggesting
there be no more, but perhaps there could
be a fewer number.
MONROE. Senator, thank you very much for
being with us this morning. Senator Robert
Byrd of West Virginia, the Democratic Whip.
ORDER FOR RECOGNITION OF
SENATORS HATFIELD, BUCKLEY,
JAVITS, CASE, AND HARRY F.
BYRD, JR., ON THURSDAY, JANU-
ARY 18, 1973
Mr. ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. President,
I ask unanimous consent that, on Thurs-
day, immediately following the remarks
of the distinguished Senator from Ala-
bama (Mr. ALLEN) and. prior to the rec-
ognition of the junior Senator from West
Virginia (Mr. ROBERT C. BYRD), the fol-
lowing Senators be recognized, each for
not to exceed 15 minutes, and in the
order stated: Mr. HATFIELD, Mr. BUCK-
LEY, Mr. JAVITS, Mr. CASE, and Mr. HARRY
F. BYRD, JR.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without
objection, it is so ordered.
ORDER FOR ADJOURNMENT FROM
THURSDAY, JANUARY 18, 1973, TO
10:30 A.M. SATURDAY, JANUARY
20, 1973
Mr. ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. President,
I ask unanimous consent that when the
Senate completes its business on Thurs-
day next it stand in adjournment until
10:30 a.m. on Saturday next.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without
objection, it is so ordered.
IUTHORIZATION FOR COMMITTEE
ON ARMED SERVICES TO REPORT
NOMINATIONS
Mr. ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. President,
I ask unanimous consent that the Com-
mittee on Armed Services may be au-
thorized to report the nominations of
Messrs. Richardson, Clements, and
Schlesinger during the adjournment of
the Senate over until Thursday next.
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r, 1:h. ection, it is so ordered.
tdIJORUM CALL
;it-. ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. President,
.i ;u;al,est what I hope will be the final
a t.oorutn call of the day.
M'he PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk
vile _-all the roll.
i'tac legislative clerk proceeded to call
''le roll.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. President, I ask
iruanimous consent that the order for
Lie quorum call be rescinded.
ifs .RESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Ros-
T C. BYRD). Without objection, it is so
(7lORITY FOR COMMITTEE ON
p,'-DANCE TO REPORT NOMINA-
TIONS
sr GRIFFIN. Mr. President, on be-
ir.ili of the Senator from Utah (Mr. BEN-
:rrr; , ask unanimous consent that the
C{1nuaittee on Finance may report the
timniaatioris of Mr. Weinberger to be
et.ary of HEW and Mr. Carlucci to
i,r Under Secretary of HEW, notwith-
tancing the adjournment of the Senate
intil Thursday.
"1 he PRESIDING OFFICER. Without
r,hjo'.ctlon. it is so ordered.
+:4(JORUM CALL
',ii, (GRIFFIN. Mr. President, I suggest
lie absence of a quorum.
,'he PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk
viii call the roll.
1 lie legislative clerk proceeded to call
he roll.
MM:Tr. ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. President,
s k. unanimous consent that the order
lot the quorum call be rescinded.
'=:'Ke PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.
9:SIF?IN). Without objection, it is so
urde ?ed.
I -(jRAM FOR THURSDAY
ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. President,
prograin for Thursday next is as
(mifOws:
" he Senate will convene at 12 o'clock
e'ridian. After the two leaders or their
_ie Knees nave been recognized under the
rmneang order, the following Senators
,,ril be recognized for not to exceed 15
-uruttes each and in the order stated:
MI. BELLMON, Mr. ALLEN, Mr. HATFIELD,
%T,% BUCKLEY, Mr. JAVITS, Mr. CASE, Mr.
P:iAS1:Y F. BYRD. JR., and Mr. ROBERT C.
`,R1).
%t itie conclusion of the special or-
aers for the recognition of Senators,
thers will be a period for the transac-
t-ion of routine morning business for not
to el:ceed 1 hour, with statements limited
therein to 5 minutes.
do rollcall votes are anticipated on
-ITu rsdav,.
;V ben the Senate concludes its busi-
rie. s on Thursday, it will stand in ad-
aieirn/Irent until 10:30 a.m. on Saturday
at which time Senators will pro-
,~eed in a body to the ceremony inaugu-
cu ring the President and Vice President
z= the United States.
ADJOURNMENT UNTIL THURSDAY,
JANUARY 18, 1973
Mr. ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. President,
if there be no further business to come
before the Senate, I move, in accordance
with the previous order, that the Sen-
ate stand in adjournment until 12 o'clock
meridian on Thursday next.
The motion was aired to; and at 3:32
p.m. the Senate adjourned until Thurs-
day, January 18, 1973, at 12 o'clock
meridian.
NOMINATIONS
Executive nominations received by the
Senate January 16.1973:
GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
Thomas F. McCormick, of Connecticut, to
be Public Printer, vice Adolphus Nichols
Spence II, deceased.
IN THE COAST GUARD
The following-named officers of the Coast
Guard for promotion to the grade of cap-
tain:
William D. Harvey Howard H. Istock
Robert Russell Robert J. Hanson
Claude W. Jenkins Edwin H. Daniels
Edmund Janczyk Keith B. Schumacher
Peter J. Delaat, Jr. Ralph C. Hill
Robert C. Branham Charles E. Mathieu
Raymond H. Baetsen, Glenn F. Young
Jr. James E. Grabb
Robert S. Lucas Edward C. Farmer, Jr.
.1ohn F. Lobkovich Albert G. Stirling
I )avid J. Linde Ernest E. Rowland, Jr.
Robert B. Sims David G. Howland
Gilbert P. Sherburne William D. Markle, Jr.
Richard B. Brooks Donald C. Hintze
James R. Kelly Bernard A. Hoyland
William S. Black William E. Lehr, Jr.
lbert T. Platt, Jr. Joseph M. Kelly
John H. Byrd, Jr. Hal F. Olson
Kenneth G. Wiman Roger L. Madson
John D. Steinbacher Walter W. Kohl, Jr.
David F. McIntosh, James C. Irwin
Jr. William P. Kozlovsky
Robert V. Hackney Edwin L. Parker
Robert G. Moore Milton Y. Suzich
Melvin W. Hallock Clyde T. Lusk, Jr.
Edward J. Ard Bobby F.
Herbert G. Lyons Hollingsworth
Patrick M. Jacobsen
The following-named officers of the Coast
Guard Reserve for promotion to the grades
indicated:
William P. Allen
Sandiford S. Bee, Jr,
Commander
Richard W. Doherty Lawrence C. Foley
Theodore L. Seaman. Charles L. Hayes, Jr.
The following-named officers of the Coast
Guard for promotion to the grade of lieu-
tenant commander:
Richard E. MacDonald Herbert J. Nuse
Donald F. Potter Jack E. Arrington
Earl J. Meters, Jr. John H. Frele
Grant W. Risinger Daniel A. Sutyak
Robert R. Dudley Doyle S. Porter
James T. Fenner John H. Ingram
David F. Orszak William B. Clark
Rene N. Roussel Forrest W. Peil
James R. Norman Paul B. Robertson
David W. Kennedy, Jr. Frank A. Christoph
Roland W. Breault, Jr. Louis R: Stowe
Robert R. Harber, Jr. Frank M. Alonzo
Valentine Gaida Charles H. Studstill
Richard E. Simpson Richard L. Luna
Charles M. Burleson Melvin F. Gouthro
Cordus C. Bough Gilbert Aguilar
Lennox A. Johnson James A. Shepard
Louis Debernardi, Jr. Johnnie L. Hair
Owen M. Halsted. Ammon C. McDole
John E. Cutright Allen R. Gulau
Lenwood M. Quidley John D. Spade
John McCracken Thomas E. Yentsch
William Aliff Robert T. Luckritz
Melvin Long John A. Pierson
Joseph E. Tamalonis David K. Durry
William Race Cecil W. Allison
Francis N. Harrell Robert W. Mason
Brent Malcolm Kipling E. Grassit
Stanley E. Bork Arcangel'o V. Arecchi
Willis E. Lawrence III William H. Blanchard
Robert C. White Michael E. Koloski
James V. O'Neill Edward A. Chazal, Jr.
Robert F. Doughty William H. Norris
Paul G. Smith Frederick M. Hamilton
Frank M. Chilszczyk, Samuel J. Dennis
Jr. Thomas R. Pennington
Alvin K. Sumner James A. White
William N. Rohrer Douglas H. Teeson
John M. Lewis Robert M. Stephan,
Marvin E. Wilmoth Jr.
John F. Overath . earl Josephson
Robert H. Stracener dtephen L. Brundage
George E. Ellis Kent H. Williams
Daniel R. Irving Laurence H. Somers
Preston H. McMillan Peter T. Poulos
Herbert L. Johnson Jerry M. Payne
Thomas L. Young John W. Carbin
William S. Ricks Glenn E. Serotsky
William S. Vinson Richard D. Marmieg
Douglas R. Herlihy Paui M Blayney
Richard E. Bruce Donald S. Jensen
Laurence J. Murphy, Carl H. Helman III
Jr. Joseph R. Offutt, Jr.
James F. Van Vranken Howard Newho:S
Edward Stadnicar James A. Sanial,.Jr.
Walter C. Parker Ralph E. Anderson
Donald C. Hibbard Robert J. Gray
William T. Foran Randall D. Peterson
Ted G. Walters Paul N. Samek
Cassius L. Lisk Walter S. Viglienzone
Theodore M. Nutting Gerald J. Zanolli
James H. Ferguson Richard W. Walton
dean Snyder Thomas E. Omri
Edward A. Harmes James D. Morgan
III John E. Schwartz
Ross Bell Richard B. Chapman
Francis W. Miller . Delgene O. Phillips
Alton E.'Turner Joseph P. Coleman
John P. Shioli Andrew T. Horsey
Leon K.Thomas Gene E. Bowen
Clarence C. Martin, Jr. Joseph M. Rogers
Michael.J. Dewitt Francis J. Wright, Jr.
Dennis L. Morrissey Cart H. Pearce
Charles S. Park, III Richard E. Ruhe, Jr.
Roland 11. Buster Robert W.
Robert C. Hilker Christiansen
Franklin L. Fountaine Robert L. Storch, Jr.
Stanley W. Mead Larry R. Greif
Forrest W. Ringsage 'Robert W. Scobie
Earl R. Schattenberg
Robert L. Perkins
Billy G. Bailey
Carlton P. Smith
Theodore J. Polgar
John K. Jenkins
Taft C. Pitcher
James W. Amos
Wayne W. Becker
William M. Simpson,
Jr.
Janes O. Alexander
Darwin D. Buettner
Donald J. Green
Robert E. Harrington,
j r.
Richard E. Casey
Richard A. Bundy
Harold IT. Smith
Thomas H. Robinson
Peter L. Ehrman
Keith E. Nichols
The following named officer to be a per-
manent commissioned officer in the Coast
Guard in the grade of lieutenant commander
having been.,found fit for duty while an the
temporary disability retired list:
Earl D. Johnson
The following named Coast Guard Reserve
officers to be permanenv. commissioned of-
ficers In the Regular Coast Guard to the
grade of lieutenant:
Edward H. Bone- Craig F. Eisenbeis
kemper III Richard G. Seagrave
Francis X. Owens John A. Doty
William E. Wade, Jr.Gerald W. Abrams
William M. Jacobs ` Edward A. Altemos
The following named graduates of the
Coast Guard Academy to be permanent com-
missioned officers in the Coast Guard to the
grade of ensign:
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Daily Digest
Senate
Chamber Action
Routine Proceedings, pages S 297-S 413
Bills Introduced: 33 bills and 2 resolutions were intro-
duced, as follows: S. 252-284; S.J. Res. 13; and S. Res. 13.
Pages S 304-S 305, S 356-S 357
Resolution Agreed To:
Secret Government documents: Senate agreed to
S. Res. 13, to establish a special ad hoc committee to
study questions related to secret and confidential Gov-
ernment documents. Pages S 304-S 305
Presidential Messages: Senate received three mes-
sages from the President, as follows:
(i) Transmitting the 16th Annual Report of the
President on the Trade Agreements Program-referred
to Committee on Finance;
(2) Transmitting the Annual Report of the Office
of Alien Property for Fiscal Year 1971-referred to Com-
mittee on the judiciary; and
(3) Transmitting report on the comparability ad-
justment ordered for the Federal statutory pay systems
in January 1973-referred to Committee on Post Office
and Civil Service. Pages S 297-S 298
Treaty Received: Senate received treaty between the
United States and Colombia concerning the status of
three uninhabited coral reefs in the Caribbean (Ex. A,
93d Cong., 1st sess.), the injunction of secrecy was
removed therefrom, and the treaty, together with ac-
companying papers, was referred to Committee on
Foreign Relations. Page S 300
Committee Membership Agreements: Senate agreed
to a unanimous-consent request of Senator Mansfield
relative to eligibility of Senators to serve on joint Com-
mittees, and to the number of Senate committees on
which a Senator may serve.
Senate also agreed to a unanimous-consent request of
Senator Mansfield the effect of which gives seniority on
Committee on Government Operations to Senator
Nunn over Senator Huddleston, instead of the reverse
order as agreed to (in S. Res. 12) on January 4, 1973.
Page 5 301
Program for Thursday: Senate met at noon and ad-
journed at 2:02 p.m. until noon on Thursday, Janu-
ary 1r, when Senators Moss, Abourezk, and Harry F.
Byrd, Jr., will each be recognized. for a period not to
exceed 15 minutes, following which there will be a
period for the transaction of routine morning business
not to exceed 30 minutes.
,Pages S 297, 5 298, S 344-S 345, 5 346, 5 413
Committee Meetings.
(Committees not listed did not meet)
NOMINATION AND BRIEFING
Committee on Armed Services: Committee began hear-
ings on the nomination of Elliot L. Richardson, to be
Secretary of Defense, receiving testimony from Senator
Brooke. The nominee was present to testify and answer
questions on his own behalf.
Hearings continue tomorrow on this nomination and
on the nominations of William P. Clements, Jr., to be
Deputy Secretary of Defense, and James R. Schlesinger,
to be Director of Central Intelligence.
On Monday, January 8, committee in executive ses-
sion, received a briefing to review world developments
from Richard Helms, Director of Central Intelligence.
NOMINATION
Committee on Commerce: Committee began hearings
on the nomination of Claude S. Brinegar, to be Secretary
of Transportation, receiving testimony from Senators
Cranston and Tunney; and John Kramer on behalf of
Theodore Kheel, attorney, New York City. The nomi-
nee was present to testify and answer questions on his
own behalf.
Hearings continue tomorrow.
AIRCRAFT SEIZURE
Committee on Commerce: Committee began hearings
on S. 39, providing a more effective program to prevent
aircraft seizure, and on the administration's emergency
antihijacking regulations, having as its witnesses G. M.
Gross, Southern Airways, Inc., Atlanta; George J. Bean;
Donald G. Shay; and J. Donald Riley, all of the Airport
Operators Council International; Earle A. Taylor, Di-
rector of Aviation, Clark County, Las Vegas; Russell
Hoyt, American Association of Airport Executives,
Washington, D.C.; and William Shay, Commissioner of
Aviation, Broom County, Binghamton, N.Y.
Hearings continue tomorrow.
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,old Grtona in high regard for his contribu-
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He }:lays the piano though he says that it's
?c.bavabte just how well. When he arrived
it, Washington five years ago as Italy's am-
imts:ador, the press described him as "a
musician." Soon he was called "a pianist."
he learned through the press that
?I urn. A cor.cert pianist
I ti his c.elightfully inverted English, he
siinns up his talents this way:
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