OBJECTIVE ASSESSMENT OF SRI VISIT

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OBJECTIVE ASS1?:S!TENT OF SRI VISIT
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The trip to SRI was in support of CB's contract on enhancement of
human perception. The purpose was to take an independent look at the
SRI protocols, subjects, results and their analysis. In particular, I was
to witness further demonstrations on the existence of an extra sensory infor-
mation channel, to criticize the experimental protocols and analysis pro-
cedures, and to evaluate potential operational utility of the phenomena.
My applicable history includes a ten-year mild interest in paranormal
phenomena, peaking slightly at times of various personal experiences. My
education includes a Ph.D. in electrical engineering, with research in appli-
cations of computer science to bioengineering and experimental psychology.
Before this trip, I had read the SRI progress reports and had briefly met
with Hal Puthoff. Although the existence of telepathic communication seemed
possible to me, the possibility of remote viewing (RV) of a location without a
human "sender" seemed absurd, and foreign to my concept of human information
processing. Based on reading the earlier results with Price and Swann, I
became willing to admit the possibility that some people might have such talents,
and so I participated as a control on the Atlas experiment - with no particular
success. Later, in reviewing the results of an SRI subject (Hella F-lammid)
performing RV on a piece of scientific apparatus, I attempted to identify the
apparatus from her descriptions, which had been judged marginally useful.
My attempt was successful, and raised the question of how best to assess
information content in RV experiments. An attempt was to be made to repeat
this procedure, and to become more familiar with Hammid's vocabulary and
manners of speech as well as with her general ability to observe and describe
events.
This report is in three parts; Assessment of experimental results using
the subject Hella Hammid, Criticism of experimental protocols and analysis
procedures, Recommendations for future efforts.
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Trip Report - SRI
6-8 November 1974
Attached are two reports concerning my visit to SRI in conjunction with
the current CB contract on perceptual augmentation. The separate reports
represent an Objective Assessment and a Subjective Critique of the SRI
protocols and results, and reflect my dual role as observer and participant.
They were written for different audiences, and so overlap in part.
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1. Experiments With Flella Hammid
My assessment of Hella, based on my reading of her earlier results
and an observation of those described here, is summarized by the following
points:
Hella is very alert and outgoing; although not insightful.
She is very concerned with her performance, although she
does not argue with the analysis of it. Her aim seems to be
pleasing the experimenters rather than proving anything to herself.
Although the quality of her results varies greatly, she has
had some outstanding successes, including one which I witnessed.
Certain features of all her results may be generalized: She
does very badly on absolute size estimates. She does very well
on indicating lighting conditions, including the presence of steady
or pulsing lights. She does not often describe colors, but is very
accurate when she does. She apparently cannot assess her own
performance, although she is more pessimistic when she knows the
target is technical.
She is very willing to try new experiments or to follow new
suggestions, including working along with someone else. In fact,
there are indications that she gets at least a psychological boost
from such interaction.
There can be no question that Hella can repeatably, although
not reliably, produce information not available through normal
means. As yet she has not shown an ability to assess or increase
that reliability.
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Helia s FFemote irPwing of
Scientific Apparatus
Experiment
I was to witness Hella's attempts to perform a remote viewing experiment
on some piece of technical equipment. The standard procedures were followed
except that I selected the target, which was not drawn from the safe but
selected arbitrarily by me at the last possible moment before she was to begin.
Hal Puthoff accompanied me, and Russell Targ remained with Hella as
inquisitor.
The target selected was an electric typewriter. I sat at it for 10 minutes
typing the words "Hella", "Mustang", "Francine"; after which Hal sat and
typed "typing". We then returned and listened to Hella's tape and saw her
drawing.
The results were disappointing. Although elements of the drawing and
certain of her verbal descriptions were excellent, an overall analysis must
rate her results as a miss.
Critique
Hella is not confident of her ability to perform on the apparatus tests;
and that attitude may be detrimental to her performance.
My presence may have had some effect on her. Also, the use of two
experimenters at the sending end had not previously been tried with her.
The most significant results of the experiment were the fact that Russell
gave a nearly perfect account of the target when I asked, although he had
been engaged in actively questioning Hella during the entire experiment.
This result brings into question the whole process of interrogation, with its
potential for leading the subject.
In addition, the fact that Russell perceived only Hal and not me doing the
typing indicates the existence of a strong preferential bond between Puthoff
and Targ which must not be allowed to influence any further results. Later
experiments, described elsewhere, eliminated the use of the inquisitor, and
sent both Puthoff and Targ to the site. Results were quite good, and indicated
that the established link between those two is not responsible for the phenomena
involved in such experiments, although it may alter the specific results.
Hella's performance at the church is another justification for that conclusion.
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Background
Due to the sensitive nature of my attendance at this event, it is necessary
to justify that attendance and to assure anyone concerned that such attendance
was not officially documented nor was I specifically identified to the participants.
A major goal of my trip was the witnessing of Hella Hammid's performance,
and an assessment of that performance. Another goal was duplication of my
analysis efforts with her past remote viewings of technical targets.
It was important for me to establish a rapport with her, and I began that
when she arrived for the day at SRI. I had been introduced to her merely as
an interested party who happened to be at SRI and wanted to meet her. We
discussed the fact that I had listened to her tape of the drill press, and from
those results we (meaning Hal, Russ, and I) were interested in whether or
not such combined effort could work in general. She enjoys the experiments
and enjoyed talking with me about them. She is particularly impressed that
they are not tiring to her, but quite the opposite.
I was attempting to establish a rapport with her, since she had done badly
SG11 when observed by the previous days. She was
disappointed in that performance, and talked (without provocation) about the
"two men from DOD" who had made her "tense".
During the middle of those discussions, I accompanied Puthoff, Targ,
Hammid, and Police lieutenant Walt Konar to Stanford chapel because it would
have appeared unusual for me to have left the group at this point, and because
it presented a unique opportunity to observe Hella in a totally unfamiliar task
and setting.
Experiment
Lt. Konar was in charge of investigating the murder of a young girl in
the Stanford chapel some weeks before. When he had exhausted all available
leads, he contacted SRI and asked for Puthoff and Targ's assistance, having
read the recent publicity associated with their work. They had called Hella,
who indicated she was willing to give it a try, although she was skeptical of
her ability to help. I was introduced by name (not spelled out) to the lieutenant
as an interested observer, and was invited along. Tape recordings were made
of the entire activity, including during the car rides and during later discussion.
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Hella performed extremely well, giving much information that was later
corroborated, as well as specific information beyond that known to the police.
She had never tried such a task before. Apparently the presence of the
policeman and myself, as non-hostile witnesses, was not noticeably dis-
tracting to her.
In particular, she gave details of the crime location, described the victim
and her assailent, indicated the exact location of the fatal wound, alluded to
the ritualistic tone of the crime, and traced the victim's movements before
the crime as well as the relocation of the body afterwards. Of the wealth of
detail given, the only information known to be incorrect was Hella's state-
ment that the victim was wearing earrings. The overall excellence of Hella's
performance has been attested to by a letter sent from Lt. Konar to SRI, and
by the fact that they are following up leads she provided.
Critique
This is Hella's only performance to date in which neither Puthoff nor Targ
were actively involved. For this reason alone, it is important to note the
excellence of her results as occurring independent of any SRI involvement.
The results show the durability of the phenomena involved. No special
environment or preconditioning was used. There were many people (tourists) :CALF`
around, and every word Hella said was recorded. J
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This was definitely Hella's best performance of those I am acquainted with. Gr~r
She was very earnest in her desire to help, and she stated that her impressions J~
were stronger than when she is playing games with experiments.
The conditions of this experiment were much closer to operational utility
than those of the routine experiments. As such, the results are more pertinent.
The independent assessment by Lt. Konar should therefore be considered in V,-/V---
any assessment of operational feasibility for such activities.
None of the data that Hella generatedythat has been verified,was unknown
to Lt. Konar at the time of this experiment. Therefore, it is possible that
Hella received all of her information from the Lt., by some unknown means.
Only when the additional facts have been verified can the conclusion be reached
that some technique akin to remote viewing was involved.
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Before my trip to SRI, I had been reviewing I-lella's performance on
remote viewing of technical equipment. After hearing her description and
seeing her drawings from the experiment wit!r a CRT graphics terminal as
target, I mentioned that I Could possibly have guessed the actual equipment
SG1I from her descriptions. suggested I try to CIO that with another tape
she had made, which was thought to be less good than the CRT results. After
two runs through the tape, Illy guess of a vertical bore.ing machine was close
to the actual target of a drill press.
That result was considered significant, since it indicated that more
information might be present in the data than had been supposed. Two factors
seemed important to me: One, I was very familiar with both CRT's and
vertical milling machines, and was currently working with both. Two, I had
been briefed on Hella's background and personality. In particular, I knew
that she was basically untechnically oriented, that she was capable of detailed
description of anything she had seen, that she was not prone to fabricate
details, and that she was employed in photography.
After having spent several hours with her at SRI, I expected that my
familiarity with her RV performances had very much increased. My attempt
to process another of her tapes, however, was not a success. In this case,
the target was the ESP teaching machine, with which she was quite familiar.
I had spent my first hour on it just before I left with her tape for the evening.
My guess of a view graph projector was based on arbitrary selections from
seemingly ambiguous and contradictory sets of statements. For instance, I
was not certain if light were shining into or out of the box. Some of her
terminology, such as "burning in" had specific meaning for me based on my
background. I had to decide, in those cases, whether another meaning fit
her background, or whether she had picked up the terminology along with
the target.
Although it is probably helpful to have a calibration on the original subject
(such as realizing that Hella's sizes are generally overestimated, and her
drawings are often better than her descriptions) , it does seem that familiarity
of the interpreter with the possible target set is the crucial aspect of such an
interpretation attempt. This may be considered analogous to giving raw
intelligence data to an analyst who is well grounded in the pertinent fields.
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.Unfortunately, there was no chance to work alone with flclla as she
performed a technical RV experiment, due to time constriants.
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Necessary experimental constraints dejiend to a great extent on what is
being constrained from occurring. If the wish is to prevent manufacture of
apparently paranormal results through covert use of normal techniques, then
the experimental constraints must be sufficiently tight that any such attempt
will be detected. Under those conditions, the following are valid criticisms:
Documentation of the outbound experimenter's movements,
destination, and perceptions should be generated, by tape
recording and photographs, during the experiment. This avoids
the possibility of manufacturing a site to suit the subject's
description, or of describing movements and perceptions to
match the subject's descriptions, after his data has been heard.
To avoid collusion between experimenters, no interrogator
should be used, and no one should be present with the subject.
To avoid use of subliminal cueing to the subject, he should
be free to roam during the experiment, and should be encouraged
to randomly select his own locations.
To avoid any use of suggestion, the subject should not first
appear at SRI; but should go directly to his experiment location,
and begin the experiment at a time selected well in advance and
sent to him in writing or via a third party.
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the reliability of the data and make more meaningful its analysis. Under
those conditions, the following criticisms are presented:
There exists an unconscious preferential link between
Puthoff and Targ which must be eliminated from any experiments.
There are two reasons why existence of this link should not be
considered grounds for dismissing further work with these two.
First, there are indications that any pair of people involved in
such experiments establish an increasingly strong link of this
type, so the problem will reoccur. Secondly, Puthoff and Targ
probably represent the strongest link of this sort we have yet
found; so that, in some sense, they may be of unique value in
evaluating the individual-dependent aspects of the phenomena.
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ie process o ebrre ing has been shown to be useful in
some cases. Analysis of the debriefing data would be much
simpler if the debriefer were not witting as to the target.
There is no strong evidence that an interrogator is needed.
Again, the analysis could be much simpler if no one is leading
the subject in either.correct or incorrect directions. By
moving an unwitting interrogator to the debriefing process, any
additional information can be caked out, without confusing the
primary analysis.
"Symbolism" is an incorrect word to use in analyzing the
data; since it connotes repressions or associations involving the
subject's psychological make-up; or the subject's unconscious
desire to sublimate impressions. None of the experiments I have
studied here involved either the need to probe the subject's
psyche, or the need to translate from one level of abstration to
a lower level. Rather, the processes that occur are simple
extrapolations and analogies. The need is for an understanding
of the subject's vocabulary background and speech patterns,
rather than an assessment of his values and attitudes. Obviously,
for a more emotional set of targets, the psychological assessment
rna be necessary.
Analysis of the drawings should be done both alone and in
conjunction with the verbal report. Any inconsistencies should
be noted, and followed up during debriefing.
The subject's satisfaction with both his drawing and his
description should be recorded before and after he receives
feedback. This would be needed to compute trends in the
subject's performance, as well as leading to calibration of
future results.
A simple analysis scheme would involve having the subject
select a site or object from a set of 10 or 50 to match his impressions;
after he has been debriefed. Most real-life uses for these
phenomena would probably involve such limited possibilities.
The effects of the size of the set would also be of interest.
The targets chosen are of such a complexity that analysis
is difficult. The possible range for ambiguous results is very
large. Use of simpler targets for assessing a subject's capa-
bilities, or calibrating his performance would provide for more
consistent assessments.
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Repetition of targets should be used for assessment of the
subject's learning, as well as for an indication of the role that
familiarity plays in performance.
More real-world problems should be attempted, both to
provide independent assessments and to introduce the emotional
involvement which seems to enhance performance.
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The operational utility of the phenomena and of the SRI data,has not been
addressed in this assessment of their results, since that was not the purpose
of this current contract. Any further effort in support of O1 S-niust, however,
address that point.
1 would suggest that a follow-on be in two parts: 1) Identification of
methods for increasing the signal-to-noise of RV data, and for estimating
attainable SNR. This implies a need for meaningful definition of SNR.
2) Design and running of tightly constrained experiments to demonstrate
the use of redundant coding techniques to telepathically transmit coded
messages, with a pre-determined degree of reliability.
In the first section, the effects of calibration, training, repetition,
multiple outbounders, groupings of subjects, and combination or de-
composition of targets should be considered. An analysis of the phenomena
should be performed similar to that done on an unknown machine in order
to draw its state diagram.
In the second section, the basic utility of paranormal communication
can be quickly and directly assessed in an operationally useful context.
The possibility that the utility does exist has already been demonstrated
on a number of occassions.
It is important to indicate the alternatives available at this point;
although that is not my task. I do want to emphasize one alternative which
is not available. Given we do not continue to fund SRI research in this
field without interruption, we will probably not have a later chance. Both
Puthoff and Targ are sufficiently dedicated to this work that they will publish
everything they have generated if they are forced to seek funding. At
present, they are counting on our continued support, and so have not
,actively pursued other sources.
If they 'do dump their data on the open market, this may include
publishing their association with unreliable subjects, as well as the pre-
sentation of unanalyzed data. Already there are many people contacting SRI
from the outside, and the number of newsmen and radicals soliciting SRI
for time and information would definitely get out of hand - to the point where
the agency could not risk involvement. At present, SRI represents the most
advanced center for paranormal research, with an excellent reputation for
credibility. Although the directors of the Institute would ce t inly not allow
its reputation to suffer due to Puthoff and Targ's publication; the future
interests of this agency may suffer, and so should be considered in the
current decision. .
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The following pages include a schedule of my activities at SRI, a report
on each of those seven activities, and an extensive analysis of the second
remote viewing. Each of those sections stands alone, and a summary
assessment is best obtained by reading each of the critiques, since they
indicate not only my criticisms but the steps taken to counter them.
By way of additional comment, my impressions were favorable with
regard to the SRI effort, the existence and hardiness of the phenomena
involved, Hella's credibility and capability, and my own performance.
Although this is a subjective assessment of my own performance, I have
tried to restrain my amazement and excitement over the results. In
particular, since this is written weeks after the events, I have attempted
to not give myself benefit of the doubt when relying on memory. Very
likely the SRI report of my activities will be less restrained. Also,. the
results need be viewed in the context of a number of isolated events occurring
over a short period of time, without precedent in my experiences.
An additional subjective assessement of operational utility for these
phenomena is being completed, but is not part of this historical report.
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Wednesday 1:30 A.M. arrive motel
9: 30 A.M. arrive SRI, tour and meetings
10:00 RV #1 and its debriefing
12: 00 lunch and review of Nature paper critiques
1:00 met Hella 1-lammid, observed her performance
at Stanford chapel.
3: 00 witnessed critique of Hella's performance
4: 30 discussions with Targ and Puthoff regarding
schedule for the next days, obtained further
background reading on Remote Viewing and
Ryzi's paper on redundant coding
7: 30 dinner meeting including Puthoff and
off-site. Followed by discussion with
regarding handling of Hella's data and m
further activities.
Thursday 10: 00 RV #2 and its debriefing
1:00 select target, Hella's RV and its critique
3: 00 Hella leaves, further discussion of her results
4: 00 Obtain tape of Hella performing an RV on
scientific apparatus, to try repeating the drill
press experiment,.
4: 15 make several runs on the ESP teaching machine,
using various techniques
6:30 listen to Hella's RV tape, identify keywords;
read coding theory papers.
Friday 9:30 obtain Hella's drawings from the RV and
again listen to tape
10:00 debriefing on my performance
11: 00 RV #3 and debriefing
2: 00 abacus experiment
2:20 teaching machine experiment
4: 00 correct RV #2 transcript, obtain copies
of drawings and photos
6:00 total debriefing: my results, my criticisms,
expected follow-on, alternative funding sources,
what my trip accomplished, outlook for
operational utility
10:00 flight out
SG1I
SG1I
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The first experiment utilizing me as subject was run immediately upon
my arrival at the SRI lab. The standard mood adjective assessment was not
done in this case or on the subsequent days for lack of time and because I
was already noting my experiences in detail. At this time I was very tired and
suffering from a bad head cold, and so was certain no one could expect a good
performance from me. As a result, I was completed relaxed. Puthoff and Targ
seemed anxious to run such an experiment at once as a way of calibrating me,
and defining our schedule for the three days.
Hal Puthoff obtained a standard target site from the office safe, under their
usual protocol, and proceeded to the place. I remained in the experiment room
with Russell Targ, discussing a variety of topics. At the agreed time, I turned
on the tape recorder and described the images that came to mind. At various
points, Russell encouraged me to tall-, in further detail. I drew no pictures.
Another tape was made when Hal returned and I was debriefed.
Transcripts of these tapes were not completed before I left and so are not
contained here. They will be included in SRI's report on my visit. From my
notes, key points in my description were:
Hal is shuffling about an area that is 50 feet from parked cars.
The area has a geometrical shape (not round) which he has de-
cided to stay inside, although it is not a physical constraint in the
sense that he can get out of the area if he wants. There is a railing
more than waist high. He is looking both out and down. There is
movement, in the sense of a breeze, past him. He walks back to
our room.
When Hal returned and asked how it went, I began to confess that I had
avoided describing my initial impressions. At that point he turned on a second
tape recorder, and I continued with a description of 1-lal standing on a wooden
dock with rippling water going past him. There were two reasons why I had
not described these feelings: first, the image seemed too much like my own
apartment dock and I thought I was just remembering it. Second, I had driven
around SRI's periphery in locating the lab, and was certain there was no water
around. Since I wanted to do well, I had not mentioned those impressions,
although I later realized that I wanted them on tape for completeness of the
documentation.
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RV 41
The first experiment utilizing me as subject was run immediately upon
my arrival at the SRI lab. The standard mood adjective assessment was not
done in this case or on the subsequent days for lack of time and because I
was already noting my experiences in detail. At this time I was very tired and
suffering from a bad head cold, and so was certain no one could expect a good
performance from me. As a result, I was completed relaxed. Puthoff and Targ
seemed anxious to run such an experiment at once as a way of calibrating me,
and defining our schedule for the three days.
Hal Puthoff obtained a standard target site from the office safe, under their
usual protocol, and proceeded to the place. I remained in the experiment room
with Russell Targ, discussing a variety of topics. At the agreed time, I turned
on the tape recorder and described the images that came to mind. At various
points, Russell encouraged me to talk in further detail. I drew no pictures.
Another tape was made when Hal returned and I was debriefed.
Transcripts of these tapes were not completed before I left and so are not
contained here. They will be included in SRI's report on my visit. From my
notes, key points in my description were:
Hal is shuffling about an area that is 50 feet from parked cars.
The area has a geometrical shape (not round) which he has de-
cided to stay inside, although it is not a physical constraint in the
sense that he can get out of the area if he wants. There is a railing
more than waist high. He is looking both out and down. There is
movement, in the sense of a breeze, past him. Ile walks back to
our room.
When Hal returned and asked how it went, I began to confess that I had
avoided describing my initial impressions. At that point he turned on a second
tape recorder, and I continued with a description of 1-lal standing on a wooden
dock with rippling water going past him. There were two reasons why I had
not described these feelings: first, the image seemed too much like my own
apartment dock and I thought I was just remembering it. Second, I had driven
around SRI's periphery in locating the lab, and was certain there was no water
around. Since I wanted to do well, I had not mentioned those impressions,
although I later realized that I wanted them on tape for completeness of the
documentation.
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The impressions came easily to mind. It was like daydreaming except
I had Russ as director, and the impressions had to be translated into words
and pictures with conscious effort. As a result, I was reluctant to talk. I
did not expect that I had done well. I was, however, surprised that I had
been able to really clear my mind, and had then gotten a consistent set of
impressions for 15-20 minutes. Also in the past experiments I had reviewed,
there seemed to be no impressions of time or motion (as well as no sounds)
and so I had not expected to receive such impressions when following that
protocol
Analysis of Results
Hal became obviously either pleased or amused at listening to my tape
during debriefing. I was too impatient to make any drawings and so we
proceeded to revisit the target site. My initially surpressed description
was very accurate, as were my other statements. From my impressions I could
have identified the actual target location, which was a bridge across a man-
made brook on the SRI grounds. I was extremely surprised by that, and later
analyzed the proceedings for possible explanation.
Critique
It was frustrating to attempt a 15-20 minute session, as my mind started
to wander.
The questioning sometimes was distracting. The process I was performing
seemed to involve getting an impression, then searching for a word or image
to match - sometimes an entire experience would result from the search. The
process was analogous to smelling something, which may recall the name of
a fragrance, or may recall an entire event complete with sounds and emotional
memories. Sometimes the questions would get me off on such a side track.
I questioned how I could.be certain the site was not manufactured after-
the-fact either by monitoring my description as I made it or during debriefing.
Either Hal's cleverness or computer assistance could then select a site similar
to my description. There were three retorts to this:
1) Originally, the outbound experimenter did tape his movements
and destination. This procedure was later dropped since it did not
seem to add to the analysis, but merely generated more tapes to be
catalogued.
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2) The high strangeness of the sit(!s would make it difficult
to manufacture such places within the required range, if any
specific description were given. Due to my unfamiliarity with the
area, I could not effectively counter their challenge to match my
total description to any other site within 15 minutes from SRI .
However, I did attempt to construct such a site near my D.C.
office and could not. If some of the details were ignored it
became possible.
3) We decided that we would tape a complete record of the
outbound experimenter's journey and activities at the site, both
to eliminate such a possibility of manufacture after the fact; and
to provide time calibration data for my impressions of body move-
ment, posture, and intent. Unfortunately, this was not done until
the third experiment.
Much discussion has been made concerning the "symbolism" used by RV
subjects. This term carries incorrect connotations, referring to a pur-
poseful obscurring of details. Rather, the process which occurs is a pure
translation from experience to words, which may necessitate analogy but
not symbolism. By a discussion of symbolic content in the RV data,
experimenters imply that the deep psychological make-up of a subject must
be probed before his data can be assessed. That is not true.
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With Hella at the Church
As described in the objective report, I accompanied Hella to the church
primarily to observe her, although I did have a number of questions in mind
regarding my own performance potential and possible interaction with her.
She did extremely well, as described elsewhere in this report and as
attested to by a letter from the officer in charge. I will add here only a few
of my own observations.
Hella's performance indicates the durability of the phenomenon
involved. The environment was totally uncontrolled and the task
was completely new to her, since it involved perception of past
events, with no assistance from a "transmitting" experimenter.
The attending officer knew full details of the case, so that
Hella could theoretically have gotten all the verifiable results
from him via telepathy. She did add information regarding the
suspect's description and identity which have yet to be verified.
The possibility that the entire event was staged for me is not
worth consideration. Since I viewed official reports and video
tapes at the Menlo Park police barracks, the staging would have
required police co-operation.
Hella's results support the frequent assertion that subjects
perform better on more difficult and important tasks, rather than
when playing games.
In attempting to establish rapport with Hella, I directed some
questioning of her. She in turn began asking me for my impressions
and confirmation of hers. Since the entire proceedings were being
taped, I backed off and said I wanted to walk around. However,
we did briefly work together on the description of the victim, and I
believe that was at least a psychological boost to her performance.
(She directed the officer at one point to question me further since I
seemed to be on to something, but I was able to avoid his further
interest by describing aspects of the case that were completely wrong.
He paid me no more attention, and I receive no notice in his further
correspondence with SRI.)
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as specific as Hella's. I do believe that a group discussion
following independent observations would effectively integrate
out some of the noise involved in such a process.
Hella is very much concerned with her performance. After
the visit to the church, she several times cited statements she
had made and the fact that no one had told her the data before
hand. She was somewhat surprised at how well she had done,
and joked about how much further she should go. She is
attempting further efforts on the case, and it will be interesting
to follow them.
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Of my three RV experiments, I talked most freely during this one, and
a mood indicator would probably have shown me to be still excited over the
events of the previous day. As a result, I talked more in this experiment,
giving elaborate detail, and drew a set of pictures.
The desire was to duplicate the standard protocol as performed the
previous day. I made a number of mental adjustments: I would dictate every-
thing that came to mind, I would concentrate on body movements, I would
work on detail rather than overall impressions
A completely checked and verified transcript of my tape is included in
a later section, along with a detailed attempt at objective analysis. The
RV occurred in three parts:
1) First, I attempted to predict the site at a time when I
expected Hal was on his way there.
2) Second, at the agreed time I get an initial impression
of shielding and then perception of geometrical forms.
3) Third, I then get an impression of a building interior,
and continue to be involved with the building for the remainder
of the experiment.
Subjective Assessment
1) At the time of my first attempt, Hal was in fact still
waiting in Bart Cox's office for a site to be selected from the
safe, He was leaning against a more than waist high counter
which has a light wood top. My impression of him leaning
against a light wood workbench of similar height, and my later
statement that this is not a prediction but a viewing at the time,
are both essentially correct. In addition, I correctly describe
"papers and small items, no large equipment" on the counter top.
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feedback of the entire trip. Initially, 1 describe a positive
feeling of an absence of emissions, and guess that Hal is in
the shielded room which I have not seen, but know to exist.
Soon after that statement, I get a sensation of moving triangles
which I describe as looking through a prism or shooting a movie
through a Kallidescope. In addition, I see Hal grinning and
chuckling to himself. The scene then shifts inside a building.
At the time of this description, Hal was reportedly standing
inside the left tower shown in Figure RV 1#2-1 1. Upon re-
membering that Pat Price had gotten a shielded sensation under
the same conditions, he decided to move out, but first wanted
to give me a good target in case I was getting an impression.
Therefore, he looked up through the tower, and spun around.
The weather was too wet for me to get any good pictures but,
as SRI's photos should show, and as I verified for myself, my
description gives a very good picture of the actual scenes.
3) For the remainder of the experiment I describe the interior
of a building which is a museum and art gallery where movies are
shown; a tourist type place for walking around which is not a
business place. The architecture is busy, with the main room
about 40 x 40.
It is not really a museum. Also, just before he leaves, Hal
turns a complete circle and scans the whole place.
Those facts are all correct. The details of the description are
a little better than 50% correct as later discussed.
I felt frustrated at my inability to achieve the precise overview I had
expected remote viewing to entail. I was beginning to suspect that what I
must really be doing was picking up unprocessed sensory data from Hal,
along with his intentions and body posturing. However, in the third portion
of the experiment, I am concerned with the interior of the building, while he
remains outside. Either I am getting impressions from his unconscious
memories of the interior, or I am merely using him as a beacon, in the true
RV sense. Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to raise up and clearly see
the entire site, but am restricted to more myopic views.
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During debriefing, Hal was delighted ',vith my Kallidescope description,
as well as with the general content of the building description. I was particularly surprised by my impressions (rrect) of abut compass
directions since I am characteristically poor at directions salndecould not
even figure out the heading of my own house.
Critique
Although it would seem impossible to manufacture a site having
both the Kallidescope and museum aspects, it is very unfortunate that no
record was made of Hal's movements. At the time, we wished to duplicate
the preceeding day's protocol, and so did not wish to introduce the need
for Hal to dictate all his moves and intentions into a recorder. (In retrospect,
there was no sufficient reason for this decision. The shortness of my stay
made us continually choose between replication of results and trials of new
experiments.)
There were particularly bad effects in this instance from the interrogation
procedure. In certain cases, the questions served to distract me by either
drawing my attention to something else in my perception or to Hal's
perceptions. In other cases, the questions were completely misleading,
either in making wrong suppositions ("describe the room Hal is in" when
he is outside), or asking for further detail on an incorrect point of description
("what color is the floor?" When what I have described is the outside area) .
I was not consciously able to distinguish between the perceptions that Hal was
getting, and the remaining ones I got. Therefore, an
directed me to go and get a specific piece of information qmight le dime to
give conflicting descriptions.
Due to the effects stated above, it is additionally difficult to analyze
information received under the interrogation process. My net RV would use
no interrogator.
The question of personality dependance is now raised, since I wonder
whether I can perform with Russell on the outbound end. In addition, the
effect of multiple outbounders should be studied. Due to the lack of time,
all of these changes are made in RV 43.
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Abacus
Experiment
Two trials were made using the abacus clock which had previously been
an RV target. As shown in the SRI reports, the apparatus has 5 rows of 10
beads each, plus a clock face with two hands, a slide indicating the date,
and cutouts for exposing day of the week and month.
Hal Puthoff wanted to try perception of a binary message generated
by moving all the beads in each row to the right or left. I selected positions
from a random number table, and focused on the resulting bead positions
while he attempted to visualize them in the next room. He got 3 out of the
five bits, essentially chance results.
I preferred that he set up the entire apparatus, including movement
of any number of beads in each row. I guessed that I could get the outline
of the beads pattern.
The outline was the correct. shape
but in trying to come up with
corresponding digits, the sequence generated was 66689. If these are
positioned left or right based on the outline shape, then three of the digits
were correct. The small hand of the clock was correct, and the approximate
position of the date slide indicator was close, although an incorrect number
was assigned to it. -
Results were not good enough to further consider at that time, but
additional trials along with more familiarity with the apparatus are worth
pursuing.
Critique
It is interesting that I predicted the type of Task I could do well.
This was the only coding-type experiment we had time to perform,
although we had discussions involving a good design for a redundant
coding experiment.
Both for training purposes and ease of analysis, more such short
experiments should be emphasized.
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ESP Teaching I~,iachine
In an attempt to demonstrate some degree of learning or improvement
during my three days, I made three series of runs on the teaching machine
which was designed by Russell Targ for NASA, and which is described in
the SRI reports. Basically, it is a four-state machine, with the states
generated randomly. Each run consists of 25 trials in which the subject
selects one of 4 state buttons or the "pass" button. The machine can also
be operated in two precognitive modes, during which the machine state is
determined either 1/2 or 1 second after the operator selects his prediction
of the state.
I tried a variety of approaches: right hand only, left hand only, both
hands, the preceeding three both with eyes open or shut. By shutting my
eyes I was avoiding the visual feedback on my incorrect selections. Correct
selections rang a bell. After 200 runs of each type, I appeared to do best
by using both hands, eyes open, and proceeding very fast. I then performed
2000 such trials, and attained an average of about i ;?J fat /U
Generally, people get better as they practice more with the machine.
On the following day, I repeated my run of 2000, and scored precisely at
chance, although with possibly a significantly extra-chance variance.
I've not yet received results of those calculations or computed them myself.
Later that same afternoon while both Hal and Russ were called to the
phone, I went in to again run the machine, this time in an angry mood over
my earlier results. I cleared the machine, and then punched out very
deliberately 15 hits out of the 25 trials. It sounded as it the bel-I were ringing
constantly. I- ran for Russ and Hal to show them the result and then attempted
to repeat it. After two trials below chance, I abandoned the machine again.
Although a run of 2000 trials took me less than two hours, I did not have
a chance to make any further runs.
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Interpretation of Hella's RV Tape
Before my trip to SRI, I had been reviewing Hella's performance on
remote viewing of technical equipment. After hearing her description and
seeing her drawings from the experiment with a CRT graphics terminal as
target, I mentioned that I could possibly have guessed the actual equipment
from her descriptions, suggested I try to do that with another tape
she had made, which was thought to be less good than the CRT results. After
two runs through the tape, my guess of a vertical boreing machine was close
to the actual target of a drill press.
That result was considered significant, since it indicated that more
information might be present in the data than had been supposed. Two factors
seemed important to me: One, I was very familiar with both CRT's and
vertical milling machines, and was currently working with both. Two, I had
been briefed on Hella's background and personality. In particular, I knew
that she was basically untechnically oriented, that she was capable of detailed
description of anything she had seen, that she was not prone to fabricate
details, and that she was employed in photography.
After having spent several hours with her at SRI, I expected that my
familiarity with her RV performances had very much increased. My attempt
to process another of her tapes, however, was not a success. In this case,
the target was the ESP teaching machine, with which she was quite familiar.
I had spent my first hour on it just before I left with her tape for the evening.
My guess of a view graph projector was based on arbitrary selections from
seemingly ambiguous and contradictory sets of statements. For instance, I
was not certain if light were shining into or out of the box. Some of her
terminology, such as "burning in" had specific meaning for me based on my
background. J had to decide, in those cases, whether another meaning fit
her background, or whether she had picked up the terminology along with
the target.
Although it is probably helpful to have a calibration on the original subject
(such as realizing that Hella's sizes are generally overestimated, and her
drawings are often better than her descriptions) , it does seem that famiiiarity
of the interpreter with the possible target set is the crucial aspect of such an
interpretation attempt. This may be considered analogous to giving raw
intelligence data to an analyst who is well grounded in the pertinent fields.
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Interpretation of ;-lella's RV Tape
Before my trip to SRI, I had been reviewing I-lella's performance on
remote viewing of technical equipment. After.hearing her description and
seeing her drawings from the experiment with a CRT graphics terminal as
target, I mentioned that I could possibly have guessed the actual equipment
from her descriptions. suggested I try to do that with another tape
she had made, which was thought to be less good than the CRT results. After
two runs through the tape, my guess of a vertical boreing machine was close
to the actual target of a drill press.
That result was considered significant, since it indicated that more
information might be present in the data than had been supposed. Two factors
seemed important to me: One, I was very familiar with both CRT's and
vertical milling machines, and was currently working with both. Two, I had
been briefed on Hella's background and personality. In particular, I knew
that she was basically untechnically oriented, that she was capable of detailed
description of anything she had seen, that she was not prone to fabricate
details, and that she was employed in photography.
After having spent several hours with her at SRI, I expected that my
familiarity with her RV performances had very much increased. My attempt
to process another of her tapes, however, was not a success. In this case,
the target was the ESP teaching machine, with which she was quite familiar.
I had spent my first hour on it just before I left with her tape for the evening.
My guess of a view graph projector was based on arbitrary selections from
seemingly ambiguous and contradictory sets of statements. For instance, I
was not certain if light were shining into or out of the box. Some of her
terminology, such as "burning in" had specific meaning for me based on my
background. .1 had to decide, in those cases, whether another meaning fit
her background, or whether she had picked up the terminology along with
the target.
Although it is probably helpful to have a calibration on the original subject
(such as realizing that Hella's sizes are generally overestimated, and her
drawings are often better than her descriptions) , it does seem that familiarity
of the interpreter with the possible target set is the crucial aspect of such an
interpretation attempt. This may be considered analogous to giving raw
intelligence data to an analyst who is well grounded in the pertinent fields.
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Both from the standpoint of reliability assessment and information production,
the analyst must know his field as well as his source.
Unfortunately, there was no chance to work along with Hella as she
performed a technical RV experiment, due to time constriants.
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RV #3
This experiment was not the first event of the clay, as the other two
RV's had been. In this case, I had just completed the interpretation run on
Hella's RV of the teaching machine. I had been disappointed in my per-
formance. However, my interest was peaked for this RV #3, since there
were several protocol modifications I wished to try. In addition, this could
be my last RV of the trip, so I wanted it to go well.
Protocol
Based on my observations during Hella's performances and during my
own, I made a number of changes to the standard protocol. In each case, I
believe the change resulted in stronger evidence for occurrence of para-
normal phenomena, as well as demonstration that the phenomena are not
fragile or protocol-dependent. From the suggestions contained in each section
of this paper, the following changes were made for this run:
Both Russ and Hal went to the site, which was a standard
target obtained from the safe.
No one remained with me; there was no interrogator.
All movements, intentions, and descriptions of the site
were recorded by Russ and Hal from the time they left the
building.
In addition, although I had not mentioned it beforehand;
I moved around inside the room, moved outside of the inner room
I taped all of my responses, but did not mention my move-
ments on the tape.
Transcript of my tape was not completed before I left and so is not
contained here. Photographs of the target site are also still in preparation.
The following data is from my notes and from memory. I drew no pictures
at that time.
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feature was white arches, on a circulzI(r base. I felt I could
distinguish the presence of both Hal and Russ. I tried con-
centrating on Russ, to check whether my results were dependent
on Hal; and I got a clear impression of Russ sitting very low to
the ground such that his knees were up by his ears, And at one
point his head rested on his arms, which were folded across
his knees. I did not like the place, and had an uneasy feeling
about it. I mentioned the word "cupola" which came to mind,
and stated that I didn't know what it meant. I had a?particular
sensation of looking down and attending to one point purposely,
although the site could have been used as a vantage point.
Subjective Assessment
The few images I did receive were very strong. However, the peripheral
information just seemed blurred out. In particular, the body sensations of
sitting, fixating on an area, and being uncomfortable were very strong. I
was not particular pleased with my results, although I had ascertained that
all my moving about during the experiment did not affect my perceptions.
Analysis of Results
When Hal and Russ returned, my first statement was that I didn't like
the place. I also mentioned my strange use of the word "cupola", and my
image of Russ sitting down. At Hal's suggestion, I tried to draw my overall
image, which was of white arches. He then directed me to draw the cupola,
and also an overhead view. He was delighted with the results, and asked his
secretary to guess what it was on our way out to the site. She did not know,
but responded to his whispered answer by saying "oh, that's right!", which
really pleased him.
We drove to the site, which was a park play ground, and Russ and Hal
recreated their motions, which involved sitting on and spinning a merry go
round composed of a disk with large white loops for holding on. Many screaming
children were around, as is.obvious from the tapes. I agreed that my images
had been pretty good, but noticed that a maintenance building adjoining the
merry go round area had a cupola on the roof (I had looked the word up in an
illustrated dictionary just before leaving the office), and that it had a black
lightening rod on top, and divisions just as my top view drawing showed.
Hal and Russ both expressed dismay that the structure was there and that they
had not noticed it. However, my feeling was that I had originally seen only
the arches, and when directed by Russ to go back and draw the cupola, I had
done just that by finding a cupola at the site. I'm certain I must have known
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the word in the past sometime. My TOP VIEW drawing could be a good
sketch of that cupola, while the other two are composite of the two features -
arches and cupola.
At the site, Hal and Russ recreated their motions, which I later verified
by listening to their tape. The sensations of focusing on a spot, looking down,
and feeling uneasy were strongly verified by Russ, who had gotten quite
dizzy during the experiment and had been eager for it to end.
We were all surprised that no strong perceptions of lots of people,
lots of noise, or rapid movement ever came through.
Critique
During debriefing, wording of the questions or instructions is
critical.
Assessment of debriefing results must be done in the context of the
interrogator's involvement.
Lack of an inquisitor during the experiment was no handicap, although
I would generally produce less data when alone.
I was able to receive impressions of Russell, as well as of Hal.
Using two outbounders seemed to increase the strength of a few
primary impressions, while washing out the rest. Part of that washout,
however, may have been due to the saturation effects of so much noise and
such rapid movement.
As in the previous experiments, my sensations of bodily movements or
feelings were correct; although in this case there were several strong sensory
inputs of that type which i failed to receive.
Taping by the outbounders was desirable in this case, since it verified
my impressions, as well as indicating that the cupola was not an intentional
part of their target activities.
From my movements about and outside of the experiment room, I conclude
that no subliminal suggestion techniques were being used on me.
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Objective Analysis
RV #2
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na ysrs o xperimen
Transcript of the second remote viewincl experiment was typed out the
same day, and I corrected and verified it by replaying the tape made during
the experiment.
There are three separate parts to the narration. First, the attempt to
predict the site beforehand. Second, the description of a shielded environ-
ment followed by views through a kallidoscope. Third, the description of
the building interior.
In each of the three parts (as in the other experiments as well) the
initial description is good. Attempts to further elaborate on the descriptions
begin to involve analogies, guesses, and memories; and get increasingly
poor. Subjectively, the overall performance was definitely extra-chance,
with the second portion particularly satisfying. As an attempt at objective
analysis, each aspect of the drawing and each phase of the verbal description
were designated true (+) or not true (-) with a (?) only for those details not
verified. The drawing is difficult to so analyze, since it was drawn in con-
junction with the verbal description.
The score given to each phase is shown, and then placed in summary
categories. A number of sophisticated computations could be done to look at
such variables as the time sequence of (+) and (-) responses. I doubt they
would provide any pertinent information. A simple summation of the scores
by category indicates only five significant categories: the body position of
the outbound experimenter, ambience of the location, and relative locations
were significantly true. Object names and descriptions relating to the out-
bounder's environment were significantly untrue.
There are several problems with doing such an analysis:
1) The role of the interrogator must be considered, as it directs
or misdirects the subject and focuses attention on categories of response
easy or difficult to the subject.
2) Each RV site in these experiments is generally chosen to have a
high degree of strangeness. Recognition of the peculiar qualities of the
site should be weighted more heavily than correctness of details such as
color or sizes. An analysis procedure should reflect informational value,
relative to the particular goal in performing the RV. My personal goal
was proof that I could perform remote viewing; my subjective analysis
indicated that I was successful. The objective analysis attempted here
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indicates that the informational quality of the results depend upon the
categories of interest.
3) Categorization was arbitrarily done, and may have incorporated
some additional bias into the anaysis.
4) A number of correct items were not described, but are implied by
the details described. For instance, by discussion of the floor plan it is
implicity stated that the site includes a building. Any analysis by count
should include such implicit statements, alhtough that is not attempted here.
5) It is not certain that the channel for RV transmission does not also
involve telepathy; in fact there is evidence that the involvement does exist.
Therefore, it is important that the outbound experimenter both focus his
attention and record his perceptions and intentions, for correlation with the
subject's descriptions.
6) By-knowing the analysis procedure beforehand, the subject can
generally improve his response relative to that assessment. In particular,
a subject can refrain from describing details or drawing analogies. It would
seem he might also use knowledge of his own calibration results to indicate
what categories of data he usually gets correct. A learning program using
such feedback might increase performance relative to a specific analysis.
In all cases of remote viewing run to date, however, the attempt has been
to obtain as much information as possible, without imposing any filtering.
Objectively analyzed results may have suffered from this emphasis on
production rather than validation of information. The phenomenon of remote
viewing has now been sufficiently demonstrated that the current concern
should be increasing the SNR of the subject's output.
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RV 1`2 TRANSCRIPT
TODAY IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 19711. THIS IS RUSSELL TARG WITH
BLDG. 30 AT SRI. THE TIME IS 10: 10 AM. HAL HAS LEFT TO
OBTAIN TRAVELING ORDERS FOR A REMOTE TARGET. HE'LL GET HIS
TRAVELING INSTRUCTIONS FROM BART COX WHO'S HOLDING A COLLECTION
OF REMOTE SITES IN HIS SAFE. AT 10: 30, HAL WILL BE AT HIS REMOTE SITE,
AND AT THAT IME WE'LL ENDEAVOR TO DESCRIBE WHERE HE'S AT.
IT'S 10: 12, AND - AND I WERE DISCUSSING THE POSSIBILITY OF
DESCRIBING AT THIS TIME WHILE HAL IS STILL OBTAINING HIS TRAVELING
ORDERS WHAT KIND OF PLACE HE MIGHT ARRIVE AT 17 MINUTES FROM
NOW WHEN HE GOES TO HIS REMOTE PLACE.
I think that's probably just what he was moving past. It was just a standard
work bench like you find in a lab--light wood more than waist high--in fact
there are probably a bunch out in the hall here.
IF YOU PICTURE HIM AT THE BENCH, DO YOU SEE THAT BENCH INDOORS?
I assume that it is ..... then I start thinking of all similar kinds of things
that would be outdoors. It's a...pretty .... you just talk about the height.
I sort of saw him leaning on one elbow and leaning against the bench.
BY BENCH YOU MEAN A LABORATORY BENCH OR WORK TABLE?
Um hum
IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE TABLE?
Not much. No.
YOU WANT TO TELL ME ABOUT IT?
A few papers, small things. No really large equipment.
Then when you asked me if he were inside, I flashed to him in the same kind
of position but he's up on top a hi II looking out over a landscape, and there's
a guard rail along there, and he's kind of leaning against that.
So the idea of a structure that's a little higher than waist high with him
leaning up against it--kind of common to both of them. let's stop for now.
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THE TIME IS JUST ABOUT 10: 30. SO WE'LL ASK- TO GIVE
HER IMPRESSION OF WHERE HAL HAS GOTTEN TO.
My initial impression is very strange. First of all, I just saw a big, empty
black box and thought maybe he was in the shielded room. Then I got a
very clear image of him laughing and grinning, and I thought maybe the big
darkness is a mirror that he's kind of looking in.
Trying to get a feeling for what he is doing--I just have him standing up
kind of leaning with his back against something, hands in his pocket.
For a while the image all broke up as though I was looking through a prism
or something. There were lots of Hals doing all different kinds of things.
Almost like looking at a movie projector that was shot through a kallidoscope.
There are images projected but they're all kind of piecemeal.
THAT'S WHAT YOUR IMAGES ARE DOING OR THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK
HE'S SEEING.
I'm not sure which. I think lie's involved in it. I don't know if he's
running the show or just watching it.
Now it's just all geometrics like triangles with lots of movement more than
anything.
See a lot of patterns going by like maybe touring a modern art museum.
Nothing I've done in fact would give me a comparable set of colors and
shapes in such a short period of time.
I just got the idea to try and count the number of times he looks at this watch.
I just lost track of how many times he's done it so far. I think twice so far.
IT'S 10: 35 RIGHT NOW.
(phone rings, Russ goes to answer it)
DOES THAT BLACK BOX STILL FIGURE IN YOUR PICTURE?
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I was just saying while you were out was, that the only thing I could think
in my experience would give a similar feeling is of walking through a
museum looking at an art show--a lot of geometric forms and colors,
different shapes.
Trying to get a feeling for how much activity he's involved in.
Initially, it was just the feeling that he was kind of relaxed, standing up
and looking at something, but I haven't got anything else.
Just as I said that I saw him sitting down. That may have been my own
memory of the fact that I always sit and look at art museums.
I F YOU LOOK AROUND YOU COULD YOU TRY TO DESCRIBE THE PLACE
THAT HE'S AT?
Just got an image now of a square room. The floor seems to be checkerboard,
black and white. Towards the center they kind of fade out. At the corners
it seems a sharp pattern.
Looking toward one wall.. .there's something in the center. kind of circular.
I don't know if it's a fountain or seats or both.
The wall I'm looking at is tall.. .there are high ceilings, was going to say
a large door, but it's more as if there were just part of a wall ...I guess
that's the entrance area.
Just got an impression of a water fountain--one of the kind,that's sticking
to the wall rather than standing up on the floor.
It's kind of a ....like arches. marble against the wall. There's a light
fixture on the wall near the peak of the arch.
Steps leading down.
Trying to go down the steps I see a lot of things at once it's kind of a
circular room down there, reddish colored rug on the floor.
Then I get the impression of something circular, maybe chairs in a circle--
like a lounge.
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IF HE LOOKS AT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF IHIM, WHAT KIND OF SPACE DOES HE
SEEM TO BE IN RIGHT NOW AT 11:20? IF HE LOOKS OFF, WHAT DOES HE SEE?
In the distance, it's very dar-k.... blackness. Up close, it's rugs... kind of
like going off in an alley way, bench-type chairs on either side.
Starting to get an impression--the feeling of the place. It's like kind of like
a movie theatre or art museum. It's a tourist type place. A place you go to
see and walk around in.
I don't think it's a business place.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR WI-HERE HE IS NOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE?
I don't know if it's tile or carpet tile. White, brown, gray, kind of an
ornate dark on light pattern.
I seem to have a very small field of view. If you ask me to look at one thing
I can guess about that, but I don't see the surroundings.
But it does seem to be a very busy place.
YOU THINK IT IS BUSY?
Not busy with activity, but architecturally busy.
IS THE ROOM ITSELF BRIGHTLY LIT?
It varies. I think he's downstairs now. He's moving around which I didn't
expect. Maybe he's still upstairs and I'm moving around. -
The upper part is more brightly lit than the lower part.
Lots of individual lamps around.. .on the ceiling and the walls.
DO YOU HAVE A FEELING FOR THE UPPER ROOM.
I think you enter on the upper level--it's big, open.. .central court... its
inside though. Now I'm getting to remembering things.
Walking around over the church in that big courtyard, trying to get a
relative feeling of size.
In this case I'd say maybe 40 x 110, maybe bigger. Thats the upstairs.
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just kind of scattered around against thewall.
ANY EXHIBITS?
I did initially. Now I get the feeling that that's not the purpose of the place.
Just kind of there as ornaments.
I don't think it's really a museum.
Again I guess kind of ornamental windows, not clear glass, kind of foggy.
See a lot of hatch marks, little panes.
Big windows, maybe big oval ones, with metal strips.
I don't think they're stained glass--they don't seem to be colored--just
kind of foggy.
I just now got the impression of a very tall lamppost.
IS THE ROOM OF ANY PARTICULAR SYMMETRY?
Seems to be square.
SQUARE ROOM.
You enter on the western end==that's where the wall isn't. South is the
side of the outside wall say facing the street or courtyard.
You enter from the west, and on the east is where the stairs go down.
Just now got the impression of kind of a vaulted ceiling or overhang or
partition or something.
CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT TI-IAT?
Seems ornate, patterned, maybe tile, colored tiles.
Blue, gold, white. My eyes are starting to tear from keeping them closed.
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Did you say 15 minutes or 20?
JUST BECAUSE HE LEAVES, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO.
DOES THE ROOM HAVE ANY SPECIAL FEELING ABOUT IT?
The feeling I get on a small scale is like a train station depot. Something
like Grand Central Station. It's not that busy, it's just that architecturally
that's what it reminds me of,
I get the feeling of the purpose of the people.
I just had the impression before that before Hal left he kind of turned a
complete circle and scanned the whole place once more.
I think to walk out, if he goes out on the western side and goes down a
flight of stairs, turns left and goes clown another flight and then fie's out.
Like long thin marble stairs, not a normal flight of stairs.
Outside there's a little brick--kind of a brick wall built in around the
building.
IF YOU GO INSIDE, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE BUILDING
THAT REMINDS YOU OF THE LIGHT COLORED BENCH YOU SAW AT THE
BEGINNING?
SAY, GO INTO THE MIDDLE OF YOUR ROOM AND LOOK AROUND, DO YOU
SEE THAT LIGHT COLORED BENCH ANYWHERE?
No, it doesn't seem to fit in with the bench.
I don't see anything at all like a work bench around this place. I think
really all. I saw was,transitory one of the places he went to
Then when you go downstairs from the upper level to the lower level,
there's a bannister on the left and the stairs kind of curve around counter-
clockwise.
It all seems so really clear and colorful--I'll be really curious as to...
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About the stairs or.... Mostly I see the carpet downstairs--red with dark,
blue, red background, dark blue pattern on it.
YOU SAID IT HAD...YOU DESCRIBED BLACK AND WHITE TILES UPSTAIRS
AND A CARPETED LOWER LEVEL.
Um hum
Not like any place I've ever been.
Makes me feel that I'm not remembering it, or making a composite of things
I remember.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY AND DRAW WHAT THE INSIDE OF THE ROOM
LOOKS LIKE?
OK. My drawings are not usually very good.
YOU SEEM READY FOR THE REST CURE.
get healthier as I go along.
I think the picture is going to have much less detail than the description.
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Analysis of Drawing
correct orientation entrance & exit west & east
stairs go around as shown, on outside
presence of chairs in an area
columns jutting into lower area
downstairs was red with black/blue design
checkerboard floor - was boards
square columns - were round piles
chairs downstairs, was outside ground
red downstairs was marsh grass, not rug
doors downstairs - don't exist
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Hal leaning against light wood work bench more than waist high, at current time.
+ t +
Nothing much on the table - a few papers, small things, no really large
equipment. +
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He's outside, on a hill looking over landscape, leaning against guard rail.
Initial impression of shielded room, then Hal grinning.
Have him standing, leaning back', hands in pocket'
Image broke up like through a prism or Kallidoscope.
I think Hal's involved in the show - can't tell if he's running it or watching it.
All geometrics, triangles with lots of movement (no
See patterns like touring an art museum
Hal has looked at watch for second time'
Hal still standing, relaxed, looking at something
Just saw him sit.
transition mentioned)
Square room, (he's at) , checkerboard floor, black and white, shape at
corners and fade in center+
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Something in- center of room - fountain or seats or both, circular shape.
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Tall wall, high ceilings; entrance area by a wall partition
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Water fountain stuck to wall, not standing on floor.
Marble around it, light fixture on wall, near peak of marble arch.
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Steps leading down
Circular room downstairs, reddish colored rug on the floor
Something circular - maybe chairs in a circle
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Hal sees in the distance - blackness, rugs up close, like an alleyway,
bench-type chairs on each side.
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place is like a movie theatre or art musueum; tourist type place; place
you go to see and walk around in
"floor under Hal"is ornate dark on light pattern
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architecturally busy
lighting varies, Hal downstairs now, he's moving around,
upper part more brightly lit than the lowert
lots of individual lamps around on ceiling and walls
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entrance on upper level, open central court inside 40 x 40
chairs scattered against the wall
initial feeling of exhibits; not the purpose of the place, just ornaments
not really a museum
ornamental windows, not clear glass, foggy, hatch marks, little panes
+ -t-
big windows, maybe oval, metal strips
room is square
-} i -T-
enter on west where wall is not, south faces street, stairs down on east
vaulted ceiling, ornate, maybe tiles, blue, gold, white
like train station depot architecturally; like Grand Central
before Hal left he turned a complete circle and scanned the whole place
once more+
f. 'F
to go out, he goes down a flight and turns left and goes down another and
then he's out, like long thin marble stairs
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not a business place
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brick wall outside built in around the builc:ing
the bench isn't here'that was where he was when I mentioned it
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Categorization of Results, in Sequence
body position
color
height object
time
objects absence (2)
objects (2)
outside location
view
body position
shielding
body position
overview description-analogy
purpose
movement
object name
location height
transition away from Hal
body position
design change
body position
room shape
design
color
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shape
environmental description (3)
object and location (2)
stairs location
shape area
color
description substance
object
area name
object (3)
color by Hal
objects (2) by Hal
ambience (5)
ambience
lighting (2)
relative positions (2)
area size
ambience (3)
windows- (2)
absolute directions (3)
objects by Hal (2)
Hal's location
object position (2)
windows (5)
windows
area shape
room description (3)
color (2)
analogy - location
Hal's movements (2)
stairs relative position (2)
substance (2)
object present
track Hal from place to place
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windows description, fighting
object size
colors
substance, material
object name
object position
object absence
location - absolute
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presence of movement
area size
design of pattern
shapes
time
inside description
area name
outside description
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4
6
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3
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0
3
4
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1
2
3
1
3
1
6
1
1
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1
0
1
1
2
2
1
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3
3
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1
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10
0
purpose
1
1
description relative to Hal
2
5
shielding
1
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A suggested analysis procedure is the following:
If possible, calibrate a subject by identifying the categories of description
he uses in RV, as well as those he gets significantly true or untrue.
Use as control a second person whose normal descriptions match that
pattern. Have the control physically visit the site and describe it. (Included
would most likely be a statement naming the type of site. (oceanside, bui [ding,
park, etc.) and then a number of details.
Score the subject relative to that control.
In addition identify the outbound experimenter's movements and
perceptions, and identify the subject's descriptions of these.
The control may be the outbound experimenter, if suitable.
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