SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-23

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• Publication Date: May 27, 1980
• Content Type: REPORT

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INSCOM
GRILL, FLAME
PROGRAM
GRILL FLAME
CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI- ISH
0516307 JUL 78
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-23
1. (S) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on a target of interest to USI.
2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as
raw intelligence data, and as such, have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use
of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (5) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document,
GRILL FLAME Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the
remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-23
#66: This will be a remote viewing session for 1400 hours,
27 May 1980.
Relax and concentrate now. Relax and focus your attention
on target 8017. Relax and concentrate. Focus on 8017,
and, describe the target to me.
+08 #24.5: Banks of .....see banks and banks of equipment like with
fixed chairs in front...steel chairs, table-and big
electronic boards-all electronic boards, and unit stacked
...gray, gray metal ...littleplace. It's like real tight.
Very cramped.
#66: Tell me what makes you say cramped. Tell me about that.
#24.5: It's like..uh...kind of (mumbling)...uh...not much elbow
room...feeling like I'm in a.....like I'm in a little
control room... something. The board's almost slope back
over this chair, and I almost had a feeling that I was
almost like you could see bare rock, like bare rock
visible at the end of this little room...rear rock wall...
bare rock wall like.
#66: Sit in one of the chairs for a moment and tell me what goes
on where you sit.
#24.5: I ...uh...I feel...looking at it...equipment and displayed
panels ...lights... see lights, looking switches.... communica-
ting, talking, aboarding, status of things, equipment
checked out, all okay, type of monitoring of this equipment
which pertains to something bigger elsewhere. I feel like
headsets, but not listening so much as reporting.
#66; And, look at the other seats. Look to your left at the
other seats. Is there anything different about any of the
other seats than your particular seat?
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24.5: Look funny. They.....not like mine. They're like a
barber chair. Feeling like a barber chair. This feeling
of seat adjustment, padding, almost a head rest,. lean
back...they slide back into almost a prone, vertical,
I mean horizontal-they adjust, but they are separately
adjusted. They are connected but they are separate. I
feel they are connected. It's like almost a bench...
like a bench but it has separately adjustable segments,
and this is all faced ...uh...on like...I get this gray
industrial gray, short board...almost a lap board at the
base of the equipment, and like the feet, my feet could
go way back and in under the board, if I chose so....
being my ...slide my chair, slumping in under it I would
scoop down in under it, and I could look up the board...
I could look farther up the board, and the board is
+13 segmented over me. The board leans over me so that I
could look up at it ...................................
I seem to be three .............oh! this.............
place is .......very reminiscent of a steel and green and
gray. The room almost appears round at one point, behind
the chairs, like the wall curved around in the far side,
and that's ..... I swear I'm on the ground. Like I can look
through the wall at the far-end, and I have the feelirmg
that I see bare rock, but the room is finished but I get
this bare rock wall feeling, like on the other part of
this....on the other side of the finishing part, and the
room is....round, like a-=it's convoluted. It's got some
sort of little, little jets here and jets there-floor
plan appears very irregular.
#66: Okay. Now, I want to stay in these places where these
seats are. If you stand up behind one of the seats, and
put your hands over your head can you touch the top?
#24.5: I can just..... barely... not reach it.
#66: How about sideways... extending your arms out sideways?
#24.5: If I..-.extending to the...thinking I'm behind the middle
seat, extending to the right, I cannot reach the protrusion
that comes out to the right of the right seat. That's
maybe another 3 feet to the left. If I am extending my
hand I cannot reach the edge there. It also feels farther
beyond me. But, there is no protrusion on that side.
The...there are pipes, but the bank of equipment ends.
Back around the equipment then there are other things
but they're not looking at things ...they -are working at
things there... feeling of like valves, and pipes, and
ummm, different than the equipment bank though.
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#66: Okay. Now, facing in the direction of the seats, facing
the direction the way the seats face, I want you to
move to the other side of the seats, and then face back
at the chair so you can see the back of the chair where
you would sit down, and move slowly backwards through the
wall of this area where you've been and describe it from
the outside.
PAUSE
+20 #24.5: Oh.......... Let me relax a minute and try that again.
PAUSE
Have a.....capsule type shape...the first time I did it
I...uh...it was rather spontaneous... what I...felt that I
passed through the skin of a craft of some kind and was
going to be left behind, and it frightened me. I had
the rapid vanishing of what it was I had been in....
against blackness, as though I had been in a exited
capsule ...it had just kept excellerating from me, but
it sort of surprised me and I lost what I was doing.
It was as though this thing was disappearing into the
blackness. I went back inside in an attempt to try again.
Still end up with a essentially capsulated... working area.
A cylindrical room, fully metallic almost with a......I
don't know. I keep having a strong association, somehow,
with a missile or a rocket as though I was...it's something
vertical on my right that I keep wanting to see, and I
don't see it.
#66: All right. Now, just relax and concentrate for a moment.
I feel this time-you are ready for some additional infor-
mation. Relax and concentrate now. I have suspected for
some time from your descriptions that you were inside an
aircraft of some type. Our targeting today for 8017
involves aircraft. It is now your job to describe this
aircraft to me.
+26 #24.5: Okay. I'm going to have to wait here a little bit. Try
and figure all that out.
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#66: Stick with the imagery that you have; that appears valid.
#24.5: Yes. I will. I'm just trying to go deeper, again.
#66: That's fine. We have plenty of time. I will wait.
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24.5: I...uh.....I...uh...get a pretty good image of a...the
one that's got little bumps on the end of each wing, and
the wings are swept back. Like a Bear or a Bison. The
one that's got a in the wing engines, bumps in there, the
fuselage, two side by on each side in a swept tail of the
...the knob way up on the top, but, above half way near. the
top of the tail. I'm getting a round, round nose.......
bubble type nose..... bumpy, stubby, stubby nose. Not a,
not a.big.jet or.....not really streamlined. The wings
are almost-abnormally long for the diameter of the fuselage.
Seems to be a, a bump in the back of the tail. The wings
droop. Definite feeling like a drooping eagle. The wings
drooping down.
#66: Okay. Is this plane in a flight or on the ground?
#24.5: Well, I'm seeing it at various positions. Various modes.
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#66: This the same aircraft you feel you were with before?
#24.5: Yes. It...I... Yes.
#66: Do you recognize this aircraft?
#24.5: It's...uh...it's one of the, one of the Russian kind.
Like I said a Bear or Bison. Whichever one it is that
has the, the two engines on each wing, close in, built
in the wing, was my feeling. The air scoop intakes
are actually the beating edge of the wing, is what I
feel like. Though, when I fell out of the thing before
I had ..it was disappearing into the darkness it had a
peculiar contour to it which had angulars.and dangling
things. Now I understand why it had those. Because of
+35 the angle which I exited. I was seeing. wings and tail
all at the same time. So this fits. It fits. I think
it fits. I think it's the same one.
#66: All right. I want you to locate now where this aircraft
is on the ground or aircraft similar to it, on the ground.
As it moves to the ground in your mind, tell me if there's
anything that you notice different about it as it sits
on the ground, as it comes to the ground.
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+39 #24.5: I have a.....when you asked me to locate the aircraft
I had a feeling of it being in a place near Manchuria,
but somewhere north of that...like staged, staging base,
or staging location, north of Manchuria, but along the
inside the Siberian border=.i Uh...flat, plainey, dust...
uh, not dust, a flat plains area...wide open expanses.
With some small rollingness to it, but in the`--horizon
huge mountains. way on the horizon that could be seen
then to the south. Some sort of a staging idea,. or field.
Staging field. And, as I worked along the...looking at
the plain area with the mountains the word ALMA ATA came
into my mind, and I...ALMA ATA...don't know what else.....
#66: Is this plane alone or is it with the other planes?
#24.5 Oh, there. are others. I see...just looking to my right,
I had a feeling of some sort of fighter located there.
Something smaller than the one ...some sort of protective
glass, wall area with the fighter and the feeling these, there
are more of these around, and there are other planes here.
There are many, many more planes here. It's an act of
functional base.
#66: Okay. Move your perceptions now, past the staging
concept. Where are these going?
#24.5: Ahhh.......I keep getting this map of the Pacific and a
dotted line along the Soviet,Chinese border and Mongolia
and it sort of comes down around the border. I see sort
of two, two lines like ...these aircraft fly (mumbling)
uh, comment, reconnaissance type of a situation. I see one
line goes up, swings north, Pacific come jack up north to
the A-lewt: ans,and I see another line like a possible route
that wings down around Korea on the right side of Korea, like
listening.there, but I get them flying alone. I don't see
any massive fleet movement,. or anything like that. It's
like out of this.place they go east and they also go west.
They go west along the Chinese border, towards where India
would be, I guess. Towards India in back of Japan and
everything. I was even flying along the...with maybe one
or two fighters for escort along the Chinese border sort
of as a precaution, but I see the ones flying. east without
fighter escort because it's not that necessary. But, I
get the feeling alot of water flying over the water....I'd
listen to the fleets.....reconnaissance...I don't get. any
real offensive action.
#66: I have no further questions about this target. If there is
anything you would like to add, please do so now?
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#24.5: No.
#66: All right. Fine. Let's prepare to draw then.
I'm going to go.ahead and turn this tape over now,
because it is just about ready to run out.
PAUSE
#24.5: Okay. Where to start. Ha......
#66: I think the first thing you said was something about
being in an area that was cramped... It had some
chairs or some equipment of some kind.
#24.5: Yeah. That's what I was thinking about starting. Well,
before that though, I had, for whatever it's worth,
I had some sort of a feeling of a, like proceeding along
a segment of tunnel or some sort of thing. I don't know
what it was.. It was like I was moving along a, some sort
of a small, narrow tunnel thing, and then I would pass,
like I would pass things, you. know. They'd go by me,
that were on the walls of this tunnel. It was like seg-
mentations, like things protruding at a certain point.
You know. Like, I don't know, maybe. bulk heads or
compartments or something like that, you know. Anyway, I
had that type of a feeling.
Then, then I had this feeling of like bench seats, but
separately, that were facing equipment, okay, and...uh..
this feeling was...I'll draw a side view on sketch 1, was
as though there was...I described it like a barber chair,
ha, okay...barber chair. And, facing this equipment,
like this, sketch 1. That feeling. Now, in those,
you know, curviness...around on the sides, and tight..
uh..feeling of...I'll do an overhead here, but this is
tight feeling. Like. maybe only 5 feet, type of a feeling.
Very plain, gray, and...gray and greens and sterile.
A lot of metal feeling, metal. Almost like it was a
metal room, I guess, okay. Sloped, metal room, okay.
That's in sketch 1.
An overview of that in sketch 1, is this sort of a
feeling. That there are...... feeling was that there
were 3.... of these....... This is an overview of the
seats. And, like each one of these 3 seats would,
you know...it's cushioned, padded, type seats,. Short
table, like a writing space or desk. Okay. It's
somewhat segmented.. And there's equipment and dots
and dashes and pretty lights and all this stuff all on
this equipment board facing these 3 seats. And, the
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seats were such, that they could be sort of dropped at
random. Like the guy in the middle could,put his seat
back, but the guy on the side might still sit up straight.
You know. It was like different, different arrangements
like that. Some sort of a thing that protrudes up here.
And, here there is just ...on the left side of the equip-
ment rack, there's this pipes and stuff, and, like I
said valves, and things like that, to the left. Valves.
V-a-l-v-e-s pipes. More mechanical than electronic.
It's a mechanical area, whereas this board is an
electronic monitoring area, okay. Where they're checking
systems and doing this, that, and the other thing.
All right. and the, here is a little bit on the top of
the board is my meager attempt at portraying this...
canting out of the board over the top of the seats.
Then, there's peculiar things, like this that go on, and
I felt that this is a passageway there, and this is
some sort of, I have no idea, I drew on a couple of them
here on the left side, just something that makes the, the
roundness get, has squares in it,like risers, or support
beams, or something like.
All right. Then, where was I?
#66: Okay. This time I asked you to face ..uh..go around
the other side of the seats,. and face back of the seats,
then move out through the wall backwards, so that you
could see from the outside this area that you were in.
#24.5: Hmmm. Well, before that though, I had this feeling that
I could, was looking through this. I had this feeling
that there was something there, and then there wasn't
something there. It was as though I was looking through
it. There, but not there. Could look through. These
are, okay. Okay, now when I put myself in the center of
the back here, like this, is when I saw that the board
not only went up, but that. it slanted up over the seats.
So that people could lean back, and they'd slide......
like a. barber chair, when you adjust the barber chair
for a shave, you know. Shaving or a hot pad, or something
like that. And, they could look up like this, and then
they can slide it back up front. This is individual
activity.
The view that I got, and if I can remember this, the view
that I got when I stepped out of this thing was a definite
rush, as though this thing had. left me behind and it was
flying into the darkness, okay, and moving into black
void. Like I had just gotten off an express train, and
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it sort of startled me. And, the view I got was a
canted left side view which was real funny. It didn't
look like a...you know...a...it was weird, is what it
looked like.
#66: Draw it just the way you saw it.
#24.5: Okay. Going that way in sketch 3. Droopiness is on
each side, but something rising up in the back, on the
back right, as though that's like a, a, some bigger part
or in the foreground so it looks bigger, but then the
droopiness on the right and the left, and then the,
you know, I didn't know what the hell it was when I
stepped out of it. It looked like I was stepping out of
a satel'l'ite or. something, okay, and it was....you know.
I had the definite feeling like I was stepping into
space, and the black dots are actually white dots, you
know, against the darkness. pshaw...took off. It was
just leaving me behind in a rush, okay. Phew...then
...uh...this is a, let me draw this, this is a left rear
perspective ....................disappearing. All right.
Then, what happened?
#66: Then I provided you with the information that we were,
in fact, working an aircraft type target, and I wanted
you to focus on that aircraft and describe it to me.
#24.5: Okay. The...uh...I'm not any good at aircraft........
The definite feeling that I had was of a ..............
a Bison or a Bear. The one that's got the two engines
in close to the fuselage with some sort of a funny thing
on it, okay. Uh...and I had a nose thing on it too. It
looked as though the nose was opened. And, this was
plexiglass there. Uh...that's what it was. It was that
type of an aircraft. Okay. And...uh...the wings are
swept back....I'll draw an overhead view, the wings are
swept back, but they're not delta ......................
That looks like it's slumped forward, that's wrong. I
should have drawn it differently. I'll draw another one
here, Damn it! ..................................
That's what I wanted to do. It's that type. Like that.
That.....oh, wait a minute...in the forward leading
edges.....had the...engines were built right.into it...
forward leading edges moved back, but the rear trailing
edges also moved forward. So it's almost triangular
in shape, okay. That's 5. That's what I'm trying to
describe. Like that. Okay. With 2 engines in close to
the fuselage on each wing. All right. Uh, what next?
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Six. I imagined this thing in flight and on the ground.
I imagined it landing,. is what I was doing. I watched
it land, type of a situation. And, I don't know what it
was. I had some sort of a feeling that, that bird, the
one I was watching, dropped something, like it was testing
something and dropped something. I had just a flickering
feeling, I didn't even talk about it on the tape. I had
a flickering feeling that it dropped something that
looked like a long cylinder, and that was it. Okay.
I have no idea how to even go about describing it. Let
me use this as a tracer. So, for six ..................
Okay. Four, five. I had the feeling of something long...
dropping down out of the...long and cigar shaped........
and that was the only thing I had. And, I don't know what
gave me that. I didn't even see the back end of it.
You know.. I didn't see-it's just some sort of silver,
metallic thing falling down out of it. Maybe flying by
itself; maybe not flying by itself; maybe just falling
down. Okay. All right. Long cigar dropping from beneath.
All right. That was that. But, then I got this definite
feeling that it landed in some place that was flat prairie
and there were mountains on the horizon and that it was
somewhere north of Mongolia. Mongolia was what I keyed
on. This blotch in the mountains was this country called
Mongolia. But, somewhere north of this across the border
in Russia was where this thing landed. Okay. And,.......
sort of a feeling of a map, okay... someplace like in here.
Now, then I got a flavor of recon.....after I was on the
ground and looking at....there were other aircraft around...
I got this feeling, well, okay, what is thing here. It's
sort of like some advanced base or something like that.
But, what are they doing here? I couldn't figure out what
they were doing. The word Alma Ata also occurred at this
time.
#66: And, what does that mean to you?
#24.5: I didn't know at the time. Alma Ata,. and then afterwards
thinking about Alma Ata, I think Alma Ata has something
to do with missile tests. I think it's some sort of
missile test range, but I'm not sure. But, then I had,
I'll draw like another map, is important here, Mongolia.,
Mongolia, okay, and had this feeling of this border which
comes down around like this, and I had the. feeling of
what I was looking at was Korea. Like this type. of a
thing. But, anyway, it was this type. of an idea. And,
that these.....I had the feeling of traveling back and
forth. Like airplanes would go this way up to what
poll
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would be, what would. be that, that would be west, planes,
planes flying west, have fighter escort............
Then I had this feeling, the dotted line. with arrows, was,
two things occurred here, I'll darken this thing in here
........this is UR, PRC, was that two things occurred...
like they would go out this way..... or they would go out
this way,-and fly up towards the Aleutians along the coast
of the Soviet Union. Okay. Planes flying west have fighter
escort; planes, and I'll call them reconnaissance, because
that was what I said....... have no, no feeling of fighter
escort, have no fighter escort. Okay, planes fly over
ocean ....... along Korea over ocean. In here planes fly
along coast to Aleutians. And, they're like recon flights
and that's it.
#66: Okay.
#23.5: What's that? That's eight. So, that's all I can think
of saying. I just don't have any feel at all for...8,
7, 6, okay.
#66: Okay. Fine.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-23
1. (S) Prior to the session the remote viewer was told only to focus
on the target designated by 8017.
2. (S) The interviewer knew the mission involved
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